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    Default NBA.com Raptors Team Overview

    Areas of Strength
    Athleticism. With Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan, Terrence Ross and Amir Johnson, the Raptors have a young core than can get up and down the floor. And if Dwane Casey can get that core disciplined and on the same page, he can turn it back into a pretty good defensive team that can turn stops into easy buckets on the other end.


    Needs Work
    Shooting. As athletic as Gay and DeRozan are, it's a problem when neither of your two starting, highly-paid wings can stretch the floor and knock down shots consistently. Giving the 6-8 Gay minutes at the four could provide better spacing while also allowing Ross to develop quickly.


    Two Stats That Matter
    33.1 -- Raptor opponents attempted 33.1 free throws per 100 field goal attempts, the highest rate in the league.

    1.6 -- The Raptors' defense allowed 103.8 points per 100 possessions after the Gay trade, 1.6 fewer than it allowed before the deal.

    The Way To Go
    Without any picks or cap space, there's not much the Raptors' new general manager can do. If continued efforts to trade Andrea Bargnani don't bear fruit, Toronto will still have the amnesty clause to finally part ways with the former No. 1 pick. Just as important as any moves the Raptors make is the offseason improvement of Jonas Valanciunas, who has the potential to be anchor on both ends of the floor.


    2012-13 Team Stats (points per 100 possessions, with NBA rank)
    Offensive: 102.9 (14)
    Defensive: 104.7 (22)


    Under Contract:
    F: Quincy Acy
    F/C: Andrea Bargnani
    G: DeMar DeRozan
    F: Landry Fields
    F: Rudy Gay
    F/C: Amir Johnson
    F: Linas Kleiza
    G: Kyle Lowry
    G: Terrence Ross
    C: Jonas Valanciunas


    Free Agents:
    F/G: Alan Anderson
    C: Aaron Gray (player option)
    G: John Lucas III (team option)
    F: Mickael Pietrus
    G: Sebastian Telfair


    Recent Draft History:
    2012: Maurice Harkless (15), Justin Hamilton (45), Tornike Shengelia (54)
    2011: Nikola Vucevic (16), Lavoy Allen (50)
    2010: Evan Turner (2)
    2009: Jrue Holiday (17)
    2008: Mareese Speights (16)
    2007: Thaddeus Young (12), Daequan Cook (21), Petteri Koponen (30), Kyrylo Fesenko (38)
    2006: Thabo Sefolosha (13)

    *They clearly messed up by posting the Sixers draft history, instead our own ... bummer.

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    The stat about the Raptors allowing the most Free Throws per 100 Possessions didn't surprise me in the least ... it should just read "Free Throws Refs Allowed" though, to be completely accurate.

    And the stat about our defense being marginally better after Gay is interesting to see on paper.


    Any serious objections to NBA.com's opinion of the Team?
    I'd say its pretty fair and accurate.
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    i would disagree with moving Rudy to the 4 since he is by far and away better at the 3 from what i saw last season. this is an area we need to upgrade and if you can somehow find that tweener type 4 as the 6th man or just a more mobile option at the 4 for small ball and make Amir your 6th man would be a better way to go. i don't think you should take your best 3 and move him over just because he happens to your tallest 3

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    I think the elephant in the room is whether the current starting 5 can play together and be successful with the lack of 3-pt shooting on the floor. Whether you want to play inside out with JV, run pick and roll with Lowry, or leave it to Derozan and Gay to break down defenders, you can't do any of that if the other team has 5 guys standing in the lane.

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    DeRozan is the only person i see who needs to work on his 3 pt shot. Rudy just had a down year with his back spasms and his vision problems (which i imagine have gotten worse and worse till he got surgery). This starting 5 is extremely deadly, all 5 guys compete, they are all immensely talented and hard workers. We just need a proper system and plan in place, and this is DC's last year to get his shit together.
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    Would like to see that draft tracking for the Raptors. correct me if i'm wrong:

    2013: no picks ... yet!
    2012: Terrence Ross (8th), Quincy Acy (37), Tomislav Zubcic (56)
    2011: Jonas Valanciunas (5)
    2010: Ed Davis (13)
    2009: Demar Derozan (9)
    2008: Roy Hibbert (17) for Indy
    2007: no pick
    2006: Andrea Bargnani (1), PJ Tucker (35), Edin Bavcic (56)

    Guess that could be why we never find that gem in the 2nd round ... we keep trading away the picks.
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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    Would like to see that draft tracking for the Raptors. correct me if i'm wrong:

    2013: no picks ... yet!
    2012: Terrence Ross (8th), Quincy Acy (37), Tomislav Zubcic (56)
    2011: Jonas Valanciunas (5)
    2010: Ed Davis (13)
    2009: Demar Derozan (9)
    2008: Roy Hibbert (17) for Indy
    2007: no pick
    2006: Andrea Bargnani (1), PJ Tucker (35), Edin Bavcic (56)

    Guess that could be why we never find that gem in the 2nd round ... we keep trading away the picks.
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    The article approaches our roster in reverse importance, I think. First it mentions the athletic roster pieces Rudy, Demar, Terrence and Amir ... then mentions Valanciunas. When I look at our roster, it is Jonas - then everybody else!

    I totally agree with the part that says a small ball lineup with Rudy, Demar and Terrence would be cool to see ... Amir or Jonas playing 5, and Lowry or someone else running the point.
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    Small ball may be the answer if Raps can't make moves.

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    This draft is going to be a waste of Ujiri's supposed abilities of spotting talent at the bottom of draft pools. Even though Weltman stays with the Bucks until after the draft I am sure MU & he could have some powwows on the talent around. Here's hoping MU is making headway on acquiring at least a pick or two....or someone who is signable out of Europe/SA. He was in Italy recently...he certainly keeps his movements/reasons to himself unlike BC when leaks about his trips seemed quite frequent.

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    Look at the heat, they're basically doing the exact same. And yes talent wise its obviously different but rudy gay in alot of ways is a poor mans lebron. I could see it working in the correct matchups. It would be difficult against a team like the lakers who have Pau and Howard (maybe) But at the same time Rudy should destroy Pau on the other side of the ball so i mean its something to really look into and plan for. After Andrea gets traded is when i really start to figure out the moves that need to be made because it all revolves around what we get for him.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    This draft is going to be a waste of Ujiri's supposed abilities of spotting talent at the bottom of draft pools. Even though Weltman stays with the Bucks until after the draft I am sure MU & he could have some powwows on the talent around. Here's hoping MU is making headway on acquiring at least a pick or two....or someone who is signable out of Europe/SA. He was in Italy recently...he certainly keeps his movements/reasons to himself unlike BC when leaks about his trips seemed quite frequent.
    Even with a pick and Ujiri's ability, it doesn't matter this year. Rookies don't find the floor under Casey.

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    Quote Burnit482 wrote: View Post
    Look at the heat, they're basically doing the exact same. And yes talent wise its obviously different but rudy gay in alot of ways is a poor mans lebron. I could see it working in the correct matchups. It would be difficult against a team like the lakers who have Pau and Howard (maybe) But at the same time Rudy should destroy Pau on the other side of the ball so i mean its something to really look into and plan for. After Andrea gets traded is when i really start to figure out the moves that need to be made because it all revolves around what we get for him.
    My recollection is that everytime the Raps went small it was pretty much a disaster because they didn't do enough offensively to justify the defensive issues that arose. I don't have time to look up the splits. What's the numbers with Gay at the 4?

    Also, the reason going small is effective is that you can stretch the floor and force opponents to spread out the defense. When you don't have good shooters (i.e. the Raps) that plan pretty much doesn't work cause other teams don't have to guard you.... The reason it works for teams like Miami and SA is that they have 4 or 5 threats out there at once, 2-3 of whom can knock down threes in bunches.

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    Quote robert parrish 00 wrote: View Post
    Even with a pick and Ujiri's ability, it doesn't matter this year. Rookies don't find the floor under Casey.
    A couple of points: MU indicated at his news conf. that he (management), the coach and the team were going to be lockstep about issues on the floor going forward. Have we heard if MU is in agreement with the Casey rookie/pt point of view? The other point is that we need a gathering of talent and proper development complimenting the (new) Raptor style which is another item we know very little about at this time. Identity is another item MU spoke about. If Casey does not agree he will I am afraid not be around long.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    A couple of points: MU indicated at his news conf. that he (management), the coach and the team were going to be lockstep about issues on the floor going forward. Have we heard if MU is in agreement with the Casey rookie/pt point of view? The other point is that we need a gathering of talent and proper development complimenting the (new) Raptor style which is another item we know very little about at this time. Identity is another item MU spoke about. If Casey does not agree he will I am afraid not be around long.
    Well said Bendit.

    I don't always agree that GMs meddling in the coaches affairs is a good thing; but with Casey, I think it could only be a good thing. It's not like DC is some seasoned Veteran coach who is unquestionably making the right decision 100% of the time.
    While he IS a good coach, he, just like all of us, could use some help and guidance sometimes; in terms of.. not speaking in specifics.. but Time out situations & substitutions and rotations come to mind... Lol

    If MU sets DC up with a plan of Defense first, Offense Second, then I'm sure Casey will make the appropriate decisions.
    Its when he starts trying to play D'Antoni style offense, but still maintain any sort of control, that he just loses everything and makes hilarious decisions.
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    My recollection is that everytime the Raps went small it was pretty much a disaster because they didn't do enough offensively to justify the defensive issues that arose. I don't have time to look up the splits. What's the numbers with Gay at the 4?
    You're right. According to 82games.com, Raptors played 17% of their minutes with Gay at SF, and were +84. They played 10% of their minutes with him at PF, and were -23.
    Of the 5-man units with Gay at PF, almost all of the ones that had Anderson at SF were brutal, while those that had Fields at SF actually did okay (not great).

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Its when he starts trying to play D'Aatoni style offense, but still maintain any sort of control, that he just loses everything and makes hilarious decisions.
    I am looking more forward to following the moves of the management of this team than any great expectations about on floor results. If the head is not right the body begins to rot. The team has been yo-yoed so much during BC's tenure on "identity" ...no consistent style of play and lack of leadership that the issue of improved/disciplined/planned management (TL & MU) is to me of more importance right now. Boring maybe but essential at this time imo. Here's hoping.

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    Quote Burnit482 wrote: View Post
    Look at the heat, they're basically doing the exact same. And yes talent wise its obviously different but rudy gay in alot of ways is a poor mans lebron. I could see it working in the correct matchups. It would be difficult against a team like the lakers who have Pau and Howard (maybe) But at the same time Rudy should destroy Pau on the other side of the ball so i mean its something to really look into and plan for. After Andrea gets traded is when i really start to figure out the moves that need to be made because it all revolves around what we get for him.
    Not quite sure how he is even close to being a poor man's LeBron in any ways. I'd say he's more of a rich-man's DeMar DeRozan. I also disagree that Rudy would destroy Pau. Maybe in the open floor but one-on-one I don't see it. Pau is positionally very sound, has length and plays tough defence. Rudy would rely on the jumper due to all those factors and that is not his strength. Here's hoping he proves me wrong though.
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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    You're right. According to 82games.com, Raptors played 17% of their minutes with Gay at SF, and were +84. They played 10% of their minutes with him at PF, and were -23.
    Of the 5-man units with Gay at PF, almost all of the ones that had Anderson at SF were brutal, while those that had Fields at SF actually did okay (not great).
    Thanks. Not surprised at all.

    The main problem I see with going small for Toronto is that it takes one of the two most effective players (Amir or JV) off the floor to replace them with a far less effective player (e.g. AA, Ross, Fields). Whereas, for example, in SA you have Ginobli replacing Splitter (upgrade) and in Miami you have Battier or Miller replacing Haslem, which is basically a wash player-wise but gives you a much more effective offensive lineup.

    I can't really see a scenario where I support playing Amir and JV less and Terrence Ross more. "Hey, let's replace the guys who don't miss any shots, rebound efficiently and defend pretty well with the guy who misses the rim on half his shots, doesn't rebound, looks lost on defense, and can't pass or dribble." Sounds like a great plan....

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Thanks. Not surprised at all.

    The main problem I see with going small for Toronto is that it takes one of the two most effective players (Amir or JV) off the floor to replace them with a far less effective player (e.g. AA, Ross, Fields). Whereas, for example, in SA you have Ginobli replacing Splitter (upgrade) and in Miami you have Battier or Miller replacing Haslem, which is basically a wash player-wise but gives you a much more effective offensive lineup.

    I can't really see a scenario where I support playing Amir and JV less and Terrence Ross more. "Hey, let's replace the guys who don't miss any shots, rebound efficiently and defend pretty well with the guy who misses the rim on half his shots, doesn't rebound, looks lost on defense, and can't pass or dribble." Sounds like a great plan....
    for me it's get your best 5 whomever that may be and then craft and design from there. i can see one good unit and then a whole bunch of serious drop offs no matter how i try to make it work. moving Rudy to the 4 would be like the Jay's putting Reyes at 2B when he comes back,yes the fill in has done a reasonably decent job and they have an offensive hole at 2B most of the time but why move your stud Shortstop? i think the Jays answer should be to get a better 2B at some point and the Raptors answer given the current roster should be to play Lowry-Demar-Rudy-Amir-Val together as much as possible so they can form the bonds of a unit that only a serious amount of floor time together can get you

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Well said Bendit.

    I don't always agree that GMs meddling in the coaches affairs is a good thing; but with Casey, I think it could only be a good thing. It's not like DC is some seasoned Veteran coach who is unquestionably making the right decision 100% of the time.
    While he IS a good coach, he, just like all of us, could use some help and guidance sometimes; in terms of.. not speaking in specifics.. but Time out situations & substitutions and rotations come to mind... Lol

    If MU sets DC up with a plan of Defense first, Offense Second, then I'm sure Casey will make the appropriate decisions.
    Its when he starts trying to play D'Antoni style offense, but still maintain any sort of control, that he just loses everything and makes hilarious decisions.
    GM's should be all over the coach's affairs with playing time. A coach needs to be focused on long term development. He should know that playing the rookies and consequently dealing with the growing pains that involves (at least that's how Casey sees it) is not going to cost him. They should be on the same page on player development, when to pull players out and when to let them play through mistakes, etc. And it should be the longterm view (which should be more the gm's point of view) and not the shortterm results focus of many coaches which prevails.

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