View Poll Results: Are Casey and Masai on the Same Page

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    Casey has been around for 2 seasons now so undoubtedly he will be overvaluing guys like Rudy, Amir and DeMar Ujiri just got here so he has no gauge to base this value on easier to move players out of ignorance and zero attachment. Any good GM will watch tape and talk to everyone before making moves. Hence why Ujiri may have wanted to rip down this roster to the bones of JV Ross and begin on top of that but hes taking a wait and see approach, if this was next years draft I think Ujiri would be making a complete rebuild move or at the very least if he had picks this year he would be, BC left him in the trap of his fail safe for the most part BCs team will be playing next year because of the limited resources left to Ujiri to change anything.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Casey has been around for 2 seasons now so undoubtedly he will be overvaluing guys like Rudy, Amir and DeMar Ujiri just got here so he has no gauge to base this value on easier to move players out of ignorance and zero attachment. Any good GM will watch tape and talk to everyone before making moves. Hence why Ujiri may have wanted to rip down this roster to the bones of JV Ross and begin on top of that but hes taking a wait and see approach, if this was next years draft I think Ujiri would be making a complete rebuild move or at the very least if he had picks this year he would be, BC left him in the trap of his fail safe for the most part BCs team will be playing next year because of the limited resources left to Ujiri to change anything.
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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    While a commendable trait and talent to possess in a coach, the reality is both Red and Popovich have/had great say (if not final say) in the players they draft or trade for...so the acquired talent pool available start at second base sotospeak in terms of incorporation into their system. They follow a tempplate. For the vast majority of teams and the well run orgs. it is the constant communication between coach and the GM that also permits similar results if input in personnel choices are discussed internally so all are on the same page.... which MU has said shall be a pillar of his GMship.
    Agreed. Red drafted and/or traded for pretty much every player he coached during his career as a coach. Not really a good analogy. Also, times were very different. Back then, players actually deferred to coaches and management, vs. now when players have a great deal more control over their careers.

    Nowadays, I would argue that a smart GM, if he thinks he has a great coach, needs to provide that coach with players who fit the system being implemented, not build a system to fit the players. It's a lot easier to find players to fit a system role than it is to keep re-designing a system to fit a constantly changing roster.
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Casey has been around for 2 seasons now so undoubtedly he will be overvaluing guys like Rudy, Amir and DeMar Ujiri just got here so he has no gauge to base this value on easier to move players out of ignorance and zero attachment. Any good GM will watch tape and talk to everyone before making moves. Hence why Ujiri may have wanted to rip down this roster to the bones of JV Ross and begin on top of that but hes taking a wait and see approach, if this was next years draft I think Ujiri would be making a complete rebuild move or at the very least if he had picks this year he would be, BC left him in the trap of his fail safe for the most part BCs team will be playing next year because of the limited resources left to Ujiri to change anything.
    Just a thought re MU's knowledge ("he has no gauge") of the Raptors roster...doesn't every NBA team scout other teams in the league? Some of the better/detailed oriented orgs. have a "book" on each player not only on in-game tendencies but value for any trade opportunities that may come up. As GM of Denver and apart from him having been here before I would think MU would have had a fair and dispassionate view of his current team without of course any of the inside details or "dirt" on any one individual...and even then...he may have.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Just a thought re MU's knowledge ("he has no gauge") of the Raptors roster...doesn't every NBA team scout other teams in the league? Some of the better/detailed oriented orgs. have a "book" on each player not only on in-game tendencies but value for any trade opportunities that may come up. As GM of Denver and apart from him having been here before I would think MU would have had a fair and dispassionate view of his current team without of course any of the inside details or "dirt" on any one individual...and even then...he may have.

    True, true. Not many real secrets in the NBA wrt rosters and talents.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    **WARNING: RANT AHEAD**

    Good interview but I can't stand hearing we have enough youth. Enough already. Enough. Please.

    You need TALENT.

    TALENT.

    It does not matter how old the TALENT is.

    Lets look at the average age of the Raptors: 26.3
    That is tied for 12th with 2 other teams (one being OKC). 13 teams in the league are as young or younger.
    The youngest team in the league is Houston - a rising playoff team. Of those 13 teams who are younger, 5 are playoff teams. 1 was a conference finalist. MEM was .1 of a year older and another conference finalist.

    The Raptors are 13th in experience: 4.3 years.
    There are 4 playoff teams with LESS experience and one of those teams (4th least experience - Indiana) was a conference finalist.

    http://en.hispanosnba.com/teams/comparison



    SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP WITH THE WE ARE TOO YOUNG!

    The Raptors are average and they need more TALENT on more cost effective contracts. There are too many average to below average talent on expensive contracts.


    **END RANT**
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    Maybe the rant was heard?

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    The Raptors were never able to bridge a need for more offence with the rigid defensive play they delivered in 2011-2012. The Raptors jacked scoring by 7.1 points a game in 2012-2013 but backslid defensively in allowing 8.6 points per game more than the previous season. The Raptors fell from ninth to 14th in points allowed.

    Casey said he and Ujiri are hunting for veterans or young players who can make the Raptors tougher to play against and said personnel changes are being made among his assistants to reflect the renewed priority of defence.


    http://blog.raptors.com/casey-eyes-b...etter-defence/
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    It would appear you can mark Eric Koreen down as a "Maybe" in the informal poll:


    For the moment, the messages from Casey and Ujiri seem the same. But until there is a little more substance and a track record, that unity can be observed and applauded, but not trusted. Relationships are built over months and years, not over days and weeks.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...y-masai-ujiri/
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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    I'm pretty sure Casey knows if he doesn't show he's going to be an actually good coach he's gone, and as such will go along with whatever Ujiri says. I don't see Ujiri meddling like BC did but i do see him getting the type of players HE wants and not necessarily Casey's. Basically, i don't see Masai going along with Dwayne's giant throbbing boner for grizzled vets. Like Matt ranted about, he'll get talented players that fit what he wants to do, regardless of age.
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