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    Default Grizzled Vets and Young Tough Guys!

    Both are the stated targets of the Raptors organization.

    so shoot, who do you think would make a good target?

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    ROOKIE TOUGH:


    YOUNG TOUGH:
    Ivan Johnson - free agent
    Tony Allen - free agent
    Brandon Bass - reasonable contract on a soon to be blown up Celtics squad

    VETERAN TOUGH:
    Reggie Evans - 1.6, and 1.7 million over two years with Brooklyn

    ALREADY TOUGH:
    Amir Johnson
    Jonas Valanciunas
    maybe Acy

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    I think "tough" could just as easily refer to guys who are mentally tough (ie: not overly emotional, less highs and lows, not checking out of games, not putting themselves ahead of the team, etc...).

    I think a big part of the franchise's makeover is going to be all about finding players who put the team first, bring consistent effort for every play/game, hold themselves and their teammates accountable for their efforts & actions, and lead by example by leaving it all on the court. This franchise's new management team wants to shed the image of being a 'soft' team (insert Bargnani attack here), not only with regards to how they defend, but to the more general culture of the team. Players who fold under pressure, whine too much, disappear for stretches (I'm looking at you DeMar and Rudy), only care about personal stats (bye bye Anderson) or sulk when they're reminded that the team comes first (Bayless style), should be worried. That's one area where I definitely think MU and DC can be/are on the same page.

    I think MU wants to go with a retooling youth movement, to a point, but also understands that it requires high-character veterans (along with the coaching staff) to instill this sort of culture/mentality into the young players. Therefore, I think we'll see a combination of 'rookie/young tough' and 'veteran tough' players added, while any current 'weak' players will wind up being jettisoned from the roster.

    What it all comes down to, ultimately, is instilling and building a winning attitude in the entire franchise; top-down (starting with TL, ME and DC) and bottom-up (hence the need to add 'tough' players and remove 'weak' players).
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 01:33 PM.

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    Not sure about the youth of your young group. Johnson was late arrival to the NBA but is 29 and Tony Allen is 31 with almost 10 years in the league. Bass is still 28, which should be the upper-echelon of "young"
    F*ck Brooklyn

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    holy shit for some reason I thought Tony Allen was a lot younger than that

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    2004 draft. Don't forget, he played for the Celtics for years before going to Memphis.
    F*ck Brooklyn

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    Dorrell Wright

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    2004 draft. Don't forget, he played for the Celtics for years before going to Memphis.
    I didn't really remember hearing about him until 08/09. Probably why I had him still placed as a young guy. I should have done my homework on that one

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    I didn't really remember hearing about him until 08/09. Probably why I had him still placed as a young guy. I should have done my homework on that one
    He was part of the Hoffa draft, so Raps fans tend to block everyone from that year. He felt he was overshadowed by Pierce and Ray Allen, so he signed with Memphis. He is likely done as a starter, but he would still help the team.

    I agree with Matt on Dorrell Wright. Other free agents I'd like to see them target are:
    Martell Webster (career .384% from 3PT, set career best 106 DRtg last year (same as Lowry and JV)),

    Luke Babbitt (stretch 4 shot .430 and .348 from 3PT last 2 years),

    Wayne Ellington, and

    Cartier Martin (UFA - Minimum Guy - SF - 3PT% over last 4 seasons, .389, .394, .387, .397 in limited role 128 GP over 4 - 6'7" 220lbs - 28 yr old. Could be a decent depth/cheap option to replace AA.)

    These guys are all a bit different but they all have 1 thing in common, 3 point shooting
    F*ck Brooklyn

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    I'd also call Sacramento about Jimmer Fredette. Dude can shoot and has the mental toughness. If we can get him for a good deal, then I'd pull the trigger.
    F*ck Brooklyn

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    If JV is going to become the #2 option on offense surrounding him with 3 and D guys will be crucial to spacing and punishing the double team.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I'd also call Sacramento about Jimmer Fredette. Dude can shoot and has the mental toughness. If we can get him for a good deal, then I'd pull the trigger.
    Why would you want a taller version of JLIII? Are you a mormon?

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    Quote Vykis wrote: View Post
    Why would you want a taller version of JLIII? Are you a mormon?
    I believe the french call it.....Le Upside

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I'd also call Sacramento about Jimmer Fredette. Dude can shoot and has the mental toughness. If we can get him for a good deal, then I'd pull the trigger.
    I would as well.

    I wouldn't do anything that did not include the #7 pick but Jimmer/#7/Thompson and if that is too greedy Id settle for Jimmer/#7/Salmons who has $1m buyout for 2013-14.

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    Salmons and Ariza are two guys that seem to have given up and settled for the paycheque

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    a better question to ask is what nuggets players are free agents?
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    a better question to ask is what nuggets players are free agents?
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    hmmm corey brewer hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I would as well.

    I wouldn't do anything that did not include the #7 pick but Jimmer/#7/Thompson and if that is too greedy Id settle for Jimmer/#7/Salmons who has $1m buyout for 2013-14.
    with the 7th pick you could draft KCP!
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I would as well.

    I wouldn't do anything that did not include the #7 pick but Jimmer/#7/Thompson and if that is too greedy Id settle for Jimmer/#7/Salmons who has $1m buyout for 2013-14.
    Oh yeah reason why bit on Hoopshype.com about toxic environment in Sacramento. DD is of great character.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    hmmm corey brewer hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    I think Corey Brewer can't have success without George Carl. He needs a coach like Pop, Carl, or Thibadeou to be effective. The dude was terrible till he went to denver
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