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    Default Why aren't we going hard in the paint for Eric Bledsoe?

    Word is the clips are shopping Bledsoe pretty hard, looking for a sg, don't we have a sg we'd be more than willing to part with for a future starter at PG?

    Doesn't Rivers LOVE Derozen supposedly? Was he just blowing smoke up our chimney? Is there a trade to be had here? why am i speaking in questions?
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    If we do that, what ar we going to do with Lowry?

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    Keep him (TRAAAAAADE CHIIIIIIIIIIIIP) until his contract runs out then hand the reigns over to Bledsoe
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    I rather have Lowry and DeRozan than just Bledsoe.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    I rather have Lowry and DeRozan than just Bledsoe.
    Well, you could have both Lowry & Bledsoe. If Lowry isn't traded for another solid piece, than he expires and that's plus $5 million off the books for the team.

    Bledsoe + another asset/salary match for DeRozan + Possible pick/Acy? I don't even know, but the Clippers do lack any above average wings that aren't over 30..

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    Quote ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Well, you could have both Lowry & Bledsoe. If Lowry isn't traded for another solid piece, than he expires and that's plus $5 million off the books for the team.

    Bledsoe + another asset/salary match for DeRozan + Possible pick/Acy? I don't even know, but the Clippers do lack any above average wings that aren't over 30..
    Like raps, clips need spacing on wings. Dd very much unproven.
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    Bledsoe as is would be an amazing pick up. If he adds a shot to his game he would be a more athletic Ty Lawson.

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    They are also shopping Griffin I read. Notice that there seems to be nothing in the air re rumours of Raptor goings on....must be the tight ship MU runs (I hope). We may have to wait until draft night when the chips get pushed in on a deal. I like Bledsoe and would not mind him as a replacement for Lowry who could be dealt for pick/s in another transaction. Bledsoe is an attractive chip for the Clips though.

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    I like this idea. Count me in on the Bledsoe pursuit.
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    If I were the Clips I'd want to keep Bledsoe, I have no idea what they're trying to do trading him. Chris Paul ain't too happy with the organization right now, what if he bounces?

    If they really are then I'd welcome him with open arms. Solid backup, and still developing.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    If I were the Clips I'd want to keep Bledsoe, I have no idea what they're trying to do trading him. Chris Paul ain't too happy with the organization right now, what if he bounces?

    If they really are then I'd welcome him with open arms. Solid backup, and still developing.
    CP is fine now that Rivers will be coaching the Clips. Since they want a change in PF (Griffin), Bledsoe could be used in a blockbuster deal. Their first preference is to get Howard over in a S&T with the Lakers but I dont think LAL wants anything to do with it...right now.

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    S&T might be the only thing LAL can get out of howard at this point

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    S&T might be the only thing LAL can get out of howard at this point
    I know Griffin and Bledsoe is a real good package but damn that's not even trading in the same division, that's trading in the same building! I don't know if they'd do it just based off of pride.

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    Why don't we trade for Bledsoe and Griffin? I think that would make us real great within the next few eyars with them developing.

    Also, we'd for sure be the best dunking team in the NBA.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    Why don't we trade for Bledsoe and Griffin? I think that would make us real great within the next few eyars with them developing.

    Also, we'd for sure be the best dunking team in the NBA.
    Don't think we have the necessary pieces to trade for Bledsoe and Griffin, unless we give up a first rounder for next year, which, if MU does, I want his head on a silver platter.

    I mean, who would we move?

    DeRozan for Bledsoe? Who for Griffin? Bargs? Lol. Dont even know is the salaries match.

    But hey, if we can get Bledsoe and Griffin for Bargs and DeRozan, sign me the hell up!

    Lowry/Bledsoe (Probably have the best "backup" PG in the league, lol)
    Ross/??
    Gay/Fields
    Griffin/Amir
    JV/Gray

    I know im missing players, having a mental mindblock right now.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    Why don't we trade for Bledsoe and Griffin? I think that would make us real great within the next few eyars with them developing.

    Also, we'd for sure be the best dunking team in the NBA.
    I think every team in the league would love to trade for Bledsoe and Griffin! From what I've read, the Clips haven't necessarily put them both on the trade block (at least not Griffin), but rather have dangled the package to the Lakers for Howard. I don't think the Raptors have anything that would interest the Clips to even discuss that package.

    Having said that, I could possibly see a DeRozan for Bledsoe (S&T) deal working out. Personally I'd rather trade DeRozan for an established starting PF (ie: Millsap), if they're going to trade him.

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    How about because Kyle Lowry is better than Bledsoe in just about every facet of the game? All this Bledsoe mania never made any sense to me. He is a fine backup PG, and that's it. Let's look at some advanced stats to compare the two.

    WS/48
    Lowry .133
    Bledsoe .115

    TS%
    Lowry .543
    Bledsoe .513

    eFG%
    Lowry .482
    Bledsoe .473

    Ast%
    Lowry 34.6%
    Bledsoe 23.5%

    Ortg
    Lowry 110
    Bledsoe 102

    TRB%
    Lowry 9.5%
    Bledsoe 8.6%

    Drtg
    Lowry 106
    Bledsoe 101

    PER
    Lowry 17.5
    Bledsoe 17.3

    Per 36 Ast/TO ratio
    Lowry 2.79
    Bledsoe 1.69

    Literally the only category that Bledsoe is better than Lowry in is Drtg by a small but appreciable margin. Everything else Lowry trumps him, and he trumps him by a lot in the stats that really matter for PG's (Ast%, Ast/TO ratio). Not to mention this was a poor shooting year for Lowry, yet he still easily outperformed Bledsoe. Also, Bledsoe is also signed for just one more year, so we'd have to resign him to a similar amount we'd have to pay Lowry, so it really is a straight up comparison.

    So, please remind me again why we would want Bledsoe over Lowry in the first place?

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    How about because Kyle Lowry is better than Bledsoe in just about every facet of the game? All this Bledsoe mania never made any sense to me. He is a fine backup PG, and that's it. Let's look at some advanced stats to compare the two.

    WS/48
    Lowry .133
    Bledsoe .115

    TS%
    Lowry .543
    Bledsoe .513

    eFG%
    Lowry .482
    Bledsoe .473

    Ast%
    Lowry 34.6%
    Bledsoe 23.5%

    Ortg
    Lowry 110
    Bledsoe 102

    TRB%
    Lowry 9.5%
    Bledsoe 8.6%

    Drtg
    Lowry 106
    Bledsoe 101

    PER
    Lowry 17.5
    Bledsoe 17.3

    Per 36 Ast/TO ratio
    Lowry 2.79
    Bledsoe 1.69

    Literally the only category that Bledsoe is better than Lowry in is Drtg by a small but appreciable margin. Everything else Lowry trumps him, and he trumps him by a lot in the stats that really matter for PG's (Ast%, Ast/TO ratio). Not to mention this was a poor shooting year for Lowry, yet he still easily outperformed Bledsoe. Also, Bledsoe is also signed for just one more year, so we'd have to resign him to a similar amount we'd have to pay Lowry, so it really is a straight up comparison.

    So, please remind me again why we would want Bledsoe over Lowry in the first place?
    This deserves more than a "like". Great post, Primer.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    How about because Kyle Lowry is better than Bledsoe in just about every facet of the game? All this Bledsoe mania never made any sense to me. He is a fine backup PG, and that's it. Let's look at some advanced stats to compare the two.

    WS/48
    Lowry .133
    Bledsoe .115

    TS%
    Lowry .543
    Bledsoe .513

    eFG%
    Lowry .482
    Bledsoe .473

    Ast%
    Lowry 34.6%
    Bledsoe 23.5%

    Ortg
    Lowry 110
    Bledsoe 102

    TRB%
    Lowry 9.5%
    Bledsoe 8.6%

    Drtg
    Lowry 106
    Bledsoe 101

    PER
    Lowry 17.5
    Bledsoe 17.3

    Per 36 Ast/TO ratio
    Lowry 2.79
    Bledsoe 1.69

    Literally the only category that Bledsoe is better than Lowry in is Drtg by a small but appreciable margin. Everything else Lowry trumps him, and he trumps him by a lot in the stats that really matter for PG's (Ast%, Ast/TO ratio). Not to mention this was a poor shooting year for Lowry, yet he still easily outperformed Bledsoe. Also, Bledsoe is also signed for just one more year, so we'd have to resign him to a similar amount we'd have to pay Lowry, so it really is a straight up comparison.

    So, please remind me again why we would want Bledsoe over Lowry in the first place?

    DRTG should not be used to compare players across teams, atleast not directly.

    Its opposition pts scored per 100 possessions, while said player is on the floor. To put in a simple, although not all together accurate way, teammates account for 80% of a players DRTG.

    It is useful for making comparison to the team itself (was he a net negative or positive) and across teammates.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    DRTG should not be used to compare players across teams, atleast not directly.

    Its opposition pts scored per 100 possessions, while said player is on the floor. To put in a simple, although not all together accurate way, teammates account for 80% of a players DRTG.

    It is useful for making comparison to the team itself (was he a net negative or positive) and across teammates.
    I worked with the best stat available. If you have a preferred stat to compare defensive performance then by all means please add that comparison to the discussion.

    The other site I like for defensive comparisons is 82games and opponent counterpart PER.

    Lowry 15.6
    Bledsoe 14.9

    So similar to above, Bledsoe is a slightly better defender. Not nearly enough to offset how much worse he is on the offensive end, both scoring and passing.
    Last edited by Primer; Tue Jun 25th, 2013 at 06:51 PM.

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