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    Depends on which draft pick it is. Orlando has a few.

    I like this deal although it'd help if we knew which draft pick it was. Afflalo is as unremarkable of a player as they come. We traded Ed Davis for Rudy Gay because we had Amir, and they traded Nicholson with the emergence of Tobias Harris, Vucevic, etc.

    Jameer Nelson isn't the future of this franchise, so my guess is they plan to either let him walk or trade him when he's expiring. Either way, he's not the future and if I'm to be honest, he never was. He always seemed like the weakest link on that team even when they were contenders, and yes, even when they had Hedo.

    Seems like a good gamble. We traded a first round pick for Lowry. They traded a first round pick and a prospect for Bledsoe. I guess they agree with me that Bledsoe has the potential to be better than Lowry. Even if you liked Afflalo, you can't disagree this team is still a couple years away from playoff talk. Afflalo really doesn't fit into the plan.
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    Agree with ebrian. Afflalo is just getting in the way if the Magic choose Oladipo or McLemore tomorrow. While Nicholson is a nice player, Harris' emergence made him redundant.

    I would bet that the first round pick will be lottery-protected for a couple of years given the fact that the Magic are clearly in the early stages of a ground up rebuild.

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    Anyone else want the Raps to try and get in on this deal as a 3rd team???

    The Clips are apparently also looking for a stretch PF, which makes sense, and something I've been saying all year, because they desperately lack scoring and a floor spacer in the frontcourt....
    http://www.sportscity.com/meet-the-n...on/2013/06/24/

    Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler are expected to be packaged in a draft-day trade for Orlando’s Arron Aflallo, addressing the Clipper need for a shooting guard.

    With less likelihood of finding a high post center to clear room underneath for Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan figures to remain the starter.

    Meanwhile, the Clips will look for a three-point shooting power forward—a “stretch four.”
    Now, I'm not about to suggest that Bargnani would be their first choice , but realistically, if they're going specifically for a stretch PF, who else could they target? Despite the good PF free agency crop, there really isn't a solid stretch 4 out there, especially one the Clips could afford to add....I think Jamison is maybe the only option as a vet minimum guy. And trades? What other stretch 4 is available and could fit with Griffin and Jordan? Bargs could play with either one and be effective (you know, for Bargs). Love looks to be untouchable again, as he should be, in Minny, at least for this offseason. Anderson/Ilyasova are pretty doubtful given how highly valued they are in their respective teams. Bosh might be on the market, but that's one expensive stretch 4 who would also cost them DeAndre Jordan, in all likelihood.

    If the Raps can get in on this deal as a 3rd (or 4th?) team, that might be a pretty good opportunity to turn Bargs into something.

    This is a 3-team deal I came up with for an example:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k9hzqw6

    TOR get: Nicholson, Green and Harrington
    ORL get: Butler, Bledsoe and Crawford
    LAC get: Bargs and Afflalo

    -In this deal, LAC get a stretch 4 and starting SG. They give up a lot, but Crawford isn't a big loss if Afflalo is there, and if Billups come back. Also Bargs takes on the bench scoring role. SF might be an issue, but I can easily see them using a mini-MLE on someone, or even a couple of solid minimum contract guys who'll want the opportunity to play and win.

    -Orlando doesn't give up anything significant other than Afflalo, but have to part with Nicholson. Really, for them he's like Ed Davis though, in that he just doesn't seem to fit into his team's plans. But they get a veteran SG and a young PG. Crawford's deal is a bit cheaper than Afflalo's, and with Bledsoe there, would give them 2 legit threats to break down the D with the ball in their hands.

    -Toronto gets one asset out of Bargs, and likely buy out the 2 vets. Both Green and Harrington are non-guaranteed, but both are also vets who may have value. Green as the 3rd SG, and Harrington as a veteran PF, if he's got anything left. And if not, for either one, they're easily paid to go away.

    Note: I do think LAC might have to get back a bit more somewhere in this deal. Maybe a 2nd rd pick from Orlando. Maybe Toronto signs and trades Anderson to LAC.

    Anyone else ok with something like this?

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    If Paul stays, I think Afflalo is a really, really good fit for the Clippers. If the roster looks good; alert for fantasy league bargain.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Anyone else want the Raps to try and get in on this deal as a 3rd team???

    The Clips are apparently also looking for a stretch PF, which makes sense, and something I've been saying all year, because they desperately lack scoring and a floor spacer in the frontcourt....
    http://www.sportscity.com/meet-the-n...on/2013/06/24/



    Now, I'm not about to suggest that Bargnani would be their first choice , but realistically, if they're going specifically for a stretch PF, who else could they target? Despite the good PF free agency crop, there really isn't a solid stretch 4 out there, especially one the Clips could afford to add....I think Jamison is maybe the only option as a vet minimum guy. And trades? What other stretch 4 is available and could fit with Griffin and Jordan? Bargs could play with either one and be effective (you know, for Bargs). Love looks to be untouchable again, as he should be, in Minny, at least for this offseason. Anderson/Ilyasova are pretty doubtful given how highly valued they are in their respective teams. Bosh might be on the market, but that's one expensive stretch 4 who would also cost them DeAndre Jordan, in all likelihood.

    If the Raps can get in on this deal as a 3rd (or 4th?) team, that might be a pretty good opportunity to turn Bargs into something.

    This is a 3-team deal I came up with for an example:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k9hzqw6

    TOR get: Nicholson, Green and Harrington
    ORL get: Butler, Bledsoe and Crawford
    LAC get: Bargs and Afflalo

    -In this deal, LAC get a stretch 4 and starting SG. They give up a lot, but Crawford isn't a big loss if Afflalo is there, and if Billups come back. Also Bargs takes on the bench scoring role. SF might be an issue, but I can easily see them using a mini-MLE on someone, or even a couple of solid minimum contract guys who'll want the opportunity to play and win.

    -Orlando doesn't give up anything significant other than Afflalo, but have to part with Nicholson. Really, for them he's like Ed Davis though, in that he just doesn't seem to fit into his team's plans. But they get a veteran SG and a young PG. Crawford's deal is a bit cheaper than Afflalo's, and with Bledsoe there, would give them 2 legit threats to break down the D with the ball in their hands.

    -Toronto gets one asset out of Bargs, and likely buy out the 2 vets. Both Green and Harrington are non-guaranteed, but both are also vets who may have value. Green as the 3rd SG, and Harrington as a veteran PF, if he's got anything left. And if not, for either one, they're easily paid to go away.

    Note: I do think LAC might have to get back a bit more somewhere in this deal. Maybe a 2nd rd pick from Orlando. Maybe Toronto signs and trades Anderson to LAC.

    Anyone else ok with something like this?
    No way clips give up Crawford.

    I would be down with this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nhcvk9x

    Would work after July 1st.

    Problem would be clippers and luxury tax after cp3 extension.

    Another problem would be everyone agreeing.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    No way clips give up Crawford.

    I would be down with this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nhcvk9x

    Would work after July 1st.

    Problem would be clippers and luxury tax after cp3 extension.

    Another problem would be everyone agreeing.
    Yeah, can't see that one working because of all the salary commitments for the Clippers. Just Jordan, Griffin, and Paul will be about $46M, I don't think they want the rest of their salary tied up in their backup PF.

    The latest on the Magic - Clippers trade is that they haven't talked in 3 weeks so maybe we shouldn't be talking about it like it's a done deal.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    I rather have Lowry and DeRozan than just Bledsoe.
    Well, you could have both Lowry & Bledsoe. If Lowry isn't traded for another solid piece, than he expires and that's plus $5 million off the books for the team.

    Bledsoe + another asset/salary match for DeRozan + Possible pick/Acy? I don't even know, but the Clippers do lack any above average wings that aren't over 30..

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    Quote ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Well, you could have both Lowry & Bledsoe. If Lowry isn't traded for another solid piece, than he expires and that's plus $5 million off the books for the team.

    Bledsoe + another asset/salary match for DeRozan + Possible pick/Acy? I don't even know, but the Clippers do lack any above average wings that aren't over 30..
    Like raps, clips need spacing on wings. Dd very much unproven.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    No way clips give up Crawford.

    I would be down with this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nhcvk9x

    Would work after July 1st.

    Problem would be clippers and luxury tax after cp3 extension.

    Another problem would be everyone agreeing.
    Well, they'd be taking Afflalo's and Bargnani's contracts back. I can very easily see a cheap owner not wanting to keep Crawford's long-term deal in a backcourt which I expect would feature CP and Afflalo, and very likely Billups will re-sign even for the minimum. That leaves what, backup SG and small ball minutes for Crawford? They can easily sign a cheap backup SG to play 15-20 mpg behind Afflalo. What they really will need is a SF. In some ways, I can see them being more willing to give up Crawford than Butler, who provides stability/security at SF, and whose contract will expire next season.

    I'm not saying they for sure want to trade Crawford, but I don't think he's even close to untouchable or critical to them going forward. He's just a hired gun.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well, they'd be taking Afflalo's and Bargnani's contracts back. I can very easily see a cheap owner not wanting to keep Crawford's long-term deal in a backcourt which I expect would feature CP and Afflalo, and very likely Billups will re-sign even for the minimum. That leaves what, backup SG and small ball minutes for Crawford? They can easily sign a cheap backup SG to play 15-20 mpg behind Afflalo. What they really will need is a SF. In some ways, I can see them being more willing to give up Crawford than Butler, who provides stability/security at SF, and whose contract will expire next season.

    I'm not saying they for sure want to trade Crawford, but I don't think he's even close to untouchable or critical to them going forward. He's just a hired gun.
    Crawford was 2 nd in 6th man of year voting. I think he has more value than you give him credit for.

    They also have Matt Barnes who they could resign.
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    Crawford was 2 nd in 6th man of year voting. I think he has more value than you give him credit for.

    They also have Matt Barnes who they could resign.
    I just don't see it.

    Crawford is a one-dimensional player. He is pretty average at all non-scoring aspects of the game. On top of that he doesn't really score that efficiently, making him basically a volume scorer who needs the ball in his hands. But he's also not very good as a matchup defensively.

    To explain why I don't think they would care too much about Crawford....His game does not translate well to the playoffs. He doesn't have a game that fits well into any kind of system, and he's fairly easily neutralized because he's a ball-dominant scorer. If he's not scoring buckets, he's basically completely useless.

    Career playoff stats:
    29 GP, 30 mpg, .380 FG%, .341 3%, 14.8 ppg, 2.4 apg, 2.0 rpg, 1.38 TOs

    I think Crawford is one of the most overrated players in the league. And I generally think that type of guy (undersized SG who ends up playing as a scorer) is an overrated asset. Usually hard to make good use of in more intense playoff basketball.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    ...And I generally think that type of guy (undersized SG who ends up playing as a scorer) is an overrated asset. Usually hard to make good use of in more intense playoff basketball.
    This is a great point (generally, not particularly about Crawford). When you are going into a series, the other team is going to play you multiple times and the other teams players most likely to be guarding any opponent have lots of opportunity to study the book on the guys they will be most likely be guarding. there will be no surprise moves.

    There is lots of individual opportunity to practice defense against any specific set of moves, lots of time to study tape, lots of opportunity to pick up on any tells that signal a particular shot is coming. If all you are is a shooter, your effectiveness won't last for the whole series. Danny Green's last three games of the finals are a perfect example. Game 5 he shot 8-15, then 1-7, then 1-12.

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    Apparently we ARE going hard in the paint for Bledsoe. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    @SpearsNBAYahoo: Clippers aren't expected to trade Eric Bledsoe tonight despite interest from the Raptors, Pistons, Pelicans, Magic and Mavs, sources tell Y!

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    DD is better every year, loves the city, and works his ass off. I could see the excitement in Bledsoe, but wouldn't trade DD, especially for someone with a year left on their contract. He could walk after this year? DD hopefully isn't going anywhere. I really don't see Toronto getting him, they don't have the pieces... and this guy isn't close to Lawson.

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    What would it take to trade for Rondo? Celtics are blowing up their team and rebuilding.

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    Quote speedbag wrote: View Post
    What would it take to trade for Rondo? Celtics are blowing up their team and rebuilding.
    Probably draft picks and expiring contracts.

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    Sometimes you have to take a break from real music and listen to this shit
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