Name one team that has won a championship through "tanking".
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p00ka wrote: View PostName one team that has won a championship through "tanking".
Boston: Tanked to get Oden then after getting pick #5, traded to get their Big 3 core. Again, probably doesn't meet the criteria of the quotation marks.
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p00ka wrote: View PostName one team that has won a championship through "tanking".
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Mr.Z wrote: View Post...With a pick somewhere in the teens we could easily still come out with a great young player.
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p00ka wrote: View PostName one team that has won a championship through "tanking".
I'm not concerned about teams who won a championship through tanking, I'm more concerned about teams who are COMPETING for a championship. Our team isn't competing, Utah isn't competing, Atlanta isn't competing. Those two teams make the playoffs it seems every year (save Utah last season), but they are never competing.
Teams who are/have competed by going for high draft picks in the past 6 years (whether cause they are tanking, or just suck ass) include OKC, Memphis, Boston, Clippers.
It won't be good just to be stuck in limbo as a 5/6/7/8th seed in the East... Why punish ourselves like this? People who think we are just one piece away from competing need to get out of their illusion of how good we are. Cause we aren't good. Oh yeah just get another role player and we can compete next year? So you're suggesting that we can compete with Miami next year and beat them in a best of 7? How about Chicago/Brooklyn/Indiana and even New York?
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Matt52 wrote: View PostSan Antonio: But I'm sure Robinson injured for a year does not meet the criteria of the quotation marks.
Boston: Tanked to get Oden then after getting pick #5, traded to get their Big 3 core. Again, probably doesn't meet the criteria of the quotation marks.
"Robinson missed the first month of the season due to a back injury. He returned in December, but played only six games before a broken foot sidelined him for the rest of the season. Elliott also missed more than half the season due to injury. Without Robinson and Elliott, the Spurs were a rudderless team. "
Injury =/= Purposeful tanking (trading your stars for picks and expiring contracts)The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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magoon wrote: View PostThe San Antonio Spurs tanked like mad for Tim Duncan. They knew the 1996 season was gone the moment David Robinson went down and rather than try to salvage it, they smartly over-rested their other injured players to give themselves the best chance at the lottery. It worked.
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p00ka wrote: View PostName one team that has won a championship through "tanking".
The Point is Every single Title Team drafted their franchise player except the 2000-2003 Lakers and 04 Pistons, the big 3. 80's Lakers, 80' bulls, Bad Boy Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs, Kobe Lakers, Celtics again (Pierce but thats debatable more of a group effort), Maverics.
We dont have the trade assets to net a Boston big 3, we're not attractive enough to sign a Shaquille O'Neil, or a Miami big 3. so we got to do like everyone else and draft our Franchise player and build around him.
Do we have him in JV ? than we need to build a team for him, this team was built before him. We dont have him in JV then we need to stay in the lottery and find him. Either way we have to gut the team to move forward.
You have to find that Franchise player than trade around him, we've been doing it backwards for years and have gotten nowhere.
Take for example last year 1 win is the difference, could have been Lowry Derozan barnes, Johnson, Val and still have Ed davis to grow or trade and maintain Cap flexibility.
FRANCHISE PLAYERS DONT GET TRADED, THEY GET DRAFTED, THAT'S WHY YOU CALL THEM FRANCHISE PLAYERS.Last edited by Dino4life; Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:42 PM.
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"FRANCHISE PLAYERS DONT GET TRADED, THEY GET DRAFTED, THAT'S WHY YOU CALL THEM FRANCHISE PLAYERS."
Thanks for the inaccurate cliche, but in over 50 years of the NBA, how many teams won through tanking?
That aside, I don't know what criteria you use for "franchise player" (can you tell me?), but for some examples:
Kobe- drafted 13th by one team, obtained through trade
Dwight- drafted 1st, won nothing in 8 years, traded
Lebron- drafted 1st, won nothing in 7 years, then left drafting team through free agency
Pau Gasol, drafted 3rd, won nothing in 6 years, traded
KG- drafted 5th, won nothing in 12 years, traded
Dirk- drafted 9th, traded to team he became "franchise player" for
Chris Paul- drafted 4th, after 6 years of winning nothing, traded
James Harden- traded
Shaq- drafted 1st, won nothing in 3 years, traded to LA, then traded to Miami
going back further:
Kareem- drafted 1st, after 6 years of winning nothing, traded
Wilt- drafted 1st, traded 3 times
Oscar Robertson- drafted 1st, after 10 years of winning nothing, traded and won a championship
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p00ka wrote: View Post"FRANCHISE PLAYERS DONT GET TRADED, THEY GET DRAFTED, THAT'S WHY YOU CALL THEM FRANCHISE PLAYERS."
Thanks for the inaccurate cliche, but in over 50 years of the NBA, how many teams won through tanking?
That aside, I don't know what criteria you use for "franchise player" (can you tell me?), but for some examples:
Kobe- drafted 13th by one team, obtained through trade
Dwight- drafted 1st, won nothing in 8 years, traded
Lebron- drafted 1st, won nothing in 7 years, then left drafting team through free agency
Pau Gasol, drafted 3rd, won nothing in 6 years, traded
KG- drafted 5th, won nothing in 12 years, traded
Dirk- drafted 9th, traded to team he became "franchise player" for
Chris Paul- drafted 4th, after 6 years of winning nothing, traded
James Harden- traded
Shaq- drafted 1st, won nothing in 3 years, traded to LA, then traded to Miami
going back further:
Kareem- drafted 1st, after 6 years of winning nothing, traded
Wilt- drafted 1st, traded 3 times
Oscar Robertson- drafted 1st, after 10 years of winning nothing, traded and won a championship
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enlightenment wrote: View PostI searched it up myself before you guys brought up San antonio. They didnt tank at all.
"Robinson missed the first month of the season due to a back injury. He returned in December, but played only six games before a broken foot sidelined him for the rest of the season. Elliott also missed more than half the season due to injury. Without Robinson and Elliott, the Spurs were a rudderless team. "
Injury =/= Purposeful tanking (trading your stars for picks and expiring contracts)
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lol..I think it's cuz raptors fans are sick of losing brah...to answer the question.
Everyone's basically said it though.. why tank when there is absolutely no guarantee and there are clearly teams out there who will and are doing it better.
It's obvious our goal isn't to tank, especially with the bledsoe rumors. If we move demar + bargs for a packgage that includes bledsoe + butler and who knows.. we're simply rebuilding around rudy, JV and Amir probably. It would mean look for a subsequent trade of lowry, and we'll have a very different looking team next year.
Of course that all depends on if we do land bledsoe. I feel that's the best case scenario
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p00ka wrote: View Post"FRANCHISE PLAYERS DONT GET TRADED, THEY GET DRAFTED, THAT'S WHY YOU CALL THEM FRANCHISE PLAYERS."
Thanks for the inaccurate cliche, but in over 50 years of the NBA, how many teams won through tanking?
Dwight: three times to the first round of the playoffs, once to the second round of the playoffs, one Conference finals, one NBA Finals appearance
LeBron: three times to the second round, one Conference finals, one NBA Finals
Pau: Not exactly a "franchise guy" - Pau's a great second banana - but still, four playoff runs
KG: seven straight first-rounders and one Conference finals (Minnesota is a great example of a team that got talent and didn't know what to do with it)
Let's compare those to Toronto's two All-Star draftees. Vince got us to two first-round appearances and a second-round appearance before he bailed on us; Bosh got us two first-round appearances after Carter left. Now, neither Vince nor Bosh is really a Franchise Guy on the level of Kobe or LeBron, but they're respectable. The problem there was a combination of player unhappiness and a front office that was completely and utterly hapless (quite comparable to Minnesota's reign with KG).
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