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    4 years, $29 million. Solid payday.
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    Utah's definitely better off with this trade/Millsap gone. Tons of expiring contracts, which will help in the future. + they can actually start getting the most out of Favors and Kanter.
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    And considering that if we were to tank we would have to completely gut our roster from top to bottom.
    "Tanking" for a proper rebuild means, realistically, trading up to three guys: Rudy, Lowry and DeMar. They have value, but Rudy and DeMar are overpaid and don't deliver for the money you're paying them, and Lowry's ability to truly be a starting PG is questionable plus there's no guarantee we keep him anyway. You don't trade JV, because that would be stupid. You don't trade Amir because he's the heart of the team. You can't trade Fields, because nobody wants him. Ross and Acy CAN be traded, if it makes a really good deal happen, but otherwise you keep them because they're young and have upside.

    We move those three guys for expiring contracts, young assets and picks. We'll be able to get them, because the last 24 hours has seen the free agent market rapidly dry up as many of the good remaining free agents have committed (Iggy, OJ Mayo, Jose Calderon, Chris Copeland), and because there's still teams looking to compete who need assets.

    Detroit's attempt to lowball us on Rudy was a pretty transparent attempt by Joe Dumars to try and establish Rudy's price early, but it failed because it was unrealistically low. (If he'd thrown in a pick it would have looked a little more credible, instead of stupid.) Detroit and Cleveland have already missed out on Iggy; they'll probably miss out on Josh Smith too. They'll want a high-quality SF. Other teams want a quality PG at low-cost; that's Lowry. Shooting guard is the thinnest position in the league; Toronto will have suitors for DeMar.

    The thing about Rudy, Lowry and DeMar is that they are good enough to attract decent offers on the trade block, but not good enough to make you a credible championship contender. They should have INCREASE YOUR VALUE BY TRADING US written on their damn jerseys.

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    That's awesome. Go Jose.

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    "Tanking" for a proper rebuild means, realistically, trading up to three guys: Rudy, Lowry and DeMar. They have value, but Rudy and DeMar are overpaid and don't deliver for the money you're paying them, and Lowry's ability to truly be a starting PG is questionable plus there's no guarantee we keep him anyway. You don't trade JV, because that would be stupid. You don't trade Amir because he's the heart of the team. You can't trade Fields, because nobody wants him. Ross and Acy CAN be traded, if it makes a really good deal happen, but otherwise you keep them because they're young and have upside.

    We move those three guys for expiring contracts, young assets and picks. We'll be able to get them, because the last 24 hours has seen the free agent market rapidly dry up as many of the good remaining free agents have committed (Iggy, OJ Mayo, Jose Calderon, Chris Copeland), and because there's still teams looking to compete who need assets.

    Detroit's attempt to lowball us on Rudy was a pretty transparent attempt by Joe Dumars to try and establish Rudy's price early, but it failed because it was unrealistically low. (If he'd thrown in a pick it would have looked a little more credible, instead of stupid.) Detroit and Cleveland have already missed out on Iggy; they'll probably miss out on Josh Smith too. They'll want a high-quality SF. Other teams want a quality PG at low-cost; that's Lowry. Shooting guard is the thinnest position in the league; Toronto will have suitors for DeMar.

    The thing about Rudy, Lowry and DeMar is that they are good enough to attract decent offers on the trade block, but not good enough to make you a credible championship contender. They should have INCREASE YOUR VALUE BY TRADING US written on their damn jerseys.
    What point are you trying to make? None of that matter if we don't get a good draft pick. Then we have to draft again, and then again, and before you know it JV has fucked off to some other team because he's tired of losing (just like every other star player this team has had) and we're in the exact same situation we've been in for the last 10 years where no one wants to play on our team because we suck dick and never win because our only strategy is to keep sucking dick and hope it eventually pays off.

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    was just going to post this. great for him. it was funny reading some tweets earlier suggesting Dwight wanted Jose as his point guard.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    "Tanking" for a proper rebuild means, realistically, trading up to three guys: Rudy, Lowry and DeMar. They have value, but Rudy and DeMar are overpaid and don't deliver for the money you're paying them, and Lowry's ability to truly be a starting PG is questionable plus there's no guarantee we keep him anyway. You don't trade JV, because that would be stupid. You don't trade Amir because he's the heart of the team. You can't trade Fields, because nobody wants him. Ross and Acy CAN be traded, if it makes a really good deal happen, but otherwise you keep them because they're young and have upside.

    We move those three guys for expiring contracts, young assets and picks. We'll be able to get them, because the last 24 hours has seen the free agent market rapidly dry up as many of the good remaining free agents have committed (Iggy, OJ Mayo, Jose Calderon, Chris Copeland), and because there's still teams looking to compete who need assets.

    Detroit's attempt to lowball us on Rudy was a pretty transparent attempt by Joe Dumars to try and establish Rudy's price early, but it failed because it was unrealistically low. (If he'd thrown in a pick it would have looked a little more credible, instead of stupid.) Detroit and Cleveland have already missed out on Iggy; they'll probably miss out on Josh Smith too. They'll want a high-quality SF. Other teams want a quality PG at low-cost; that's Lowry. Shooting guard is the thinnest position in the league; Toronto will have suitors for DeMar.

    The thing about Rudy, Lowry and DeMar is that they are good enough to attract decent offers on the trade block, but not good enough to make you a credible championship contender. They should have INCREASE YOUR VALUE BY TRADING US written on their damn jerseys.
    "Proper" tanking is trading away 3 players???
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    Utah renounced their Bird rights to Millsap, so he"s now a UFA. Only way we could snag him is with help from someone else.
    Yup, S&T will not work as Utah has given up the Bird rights to Millsap, and can't re-sign him only to trade him. A third team would have to be involved, and the equation doesn't change much: the Raptors would have to offer a reasonable asset like DeRozan or Gay to get the deal done.

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    Very happy for Jose...but Dallas is going to make him their #1 pg for the next few years? Hmmm. If not havent they overpaid?

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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    What point are you trying to make? None of that matter if we don't get a good draft pick. Then we have to draft again, and then again, and before you know it JV has fucked off to some other team because he's tired of losing (just like every other star player this team has had) and we're in the exact same situation we've been in for the last 10 years where no one wants to play on our team because we suck dick and never win because our only strategy is to keep sucking dick and hope it eventually pays off.
    There is merit to what Magoon has to say. I raised the point that we already tanked once, got a great / possibly franchise player (JV) but then where did that get us? Nowhere. But this is different. Lowry is likely not with us next year (let go after a bad year or needed to be overpaid for a good contract year he may not reproduce). Gay can go after next year. You may have an argument with demar but there is an equal argument that he is a flawed player. So, without actively tanking, we may be in the same spot in two years. Why not enhance our chance to get a better pick. There are no guarantees but all you can do is increase your odds. If it doesn't work out, we were probably going to be stuck in 7-11 anyway.

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    this is getting crazier as it goes



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    There is merit to what Magoon has to say. I raised the point that we already tanked once, got a great / possibly franchise player (JV) but then where did that get us? Nowhere.
    See, the problem is that people have their own (wrong) definitions of "tanking." We didn't tank in 2010-11; that was just us sucking, which is completely different. We sign-and-traded Chris Bosh for some mediocre draft picks, we traded Turkoglu for pieces that BC claimed would make us better (no), we traded for Bayless in an attempt to get better (no). We weren't rebuilding. We were doing what BC always did, which is rebuild-on-the-fly without trying to stop competing, except we had no good pieces to begin with and the NBA, by and large, is not a place where you magically get more assets than a player is worth most of the time (which is why the Bargnani trade was so impressive on Ujiri's part). It was an extremely half-assed "retooling," in other words.

    One of the things that has irked me about the Detroit offer for Gay is that for some people here, it's driven the conversation. Any talk of trading Rudy or Lowry or Demar is phrased in terms of taking on crap in the attempt to get worse and nothing more. But that's not what we should be doing, because that's stupid. We can play badly WITH Rudy and Lowry and DeMar. Move DeMar to point, Lowry to SG and Rudy to PF and we will suck really badly (and it's a valid, albeit awful, coaching strategy, so the league couldn't do shit about that).

    But instead of doing that, let's get value for our assets while we can still sell high. As I've said before: if Detroit's offer for Rudy had been the two expiring contracts plus, say, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a draft pick, Ujiri would have given that a lot more consideration, because you're getting a promising young player (who most people agree is an NBA-ready 3-and-D shooting guard) and a future asset at the same time as you pitch Rudy's elephant contract. If we got offers for three promising young players, two or three first-round draft picks, and expiring contracts of overpriced but useful veterans in exchange for Rudy, Lowry and DeMar, that would be great value for them. We spend a year with young kids, teaching them proper defense fundamentals under Casey (and if there's one thing Casey does brilliantly, it's teach defense), get the best picks we can in 2014, and then take advantage of the stupid free agent market in 2014.

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    it's done

    http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/13070...chak_statement

    The following statement has been issued by Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak.

    "We have been informed of Dwight's decision to not return to the Lakers. Naturally we're disappointed. However, we will now move forward in a different direction with the future of the franchise and, as always, will do our best to build the best team possible, one our great lakers fans will be proud to support. To Dwight, we thank him for his time and consideration, and for his efforts with us last season. We wish him the best of luck on the remainder of his NBA career."

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    I don't really understand why this is a good trade. Yes, they get two picks... for $24 million? That seems a bit steep to me, and Golden State's pick will be out of the lottery. I think they're in a good position because they have a young and promising frontcourt, plus Gordon Hayward, but I don't understand why this trade was made at all.
    Utah's not going to make playoffs this year, not even close. The West is CRAZY stacked: the Thunder, Spurs, Clippers, Warriors, Rockets, Grizzlies and Nuggets basically have the first seven slots locked up and that final slot will be a fight between New Orleans, Dallas, Minnesota and maybe even the Lakers. Utah will lose most of their best players this year (and their best players weren't enough to get them to the playoffs LAST year). They are tailor-made to tank because this is going to be a lost year anyway, so they take Golden State's trash - and along with it a talented young player who wasn't getting minutes in Golden State and multiple first-round draft picks. And who knows, maybe Biedrins or Jefferson find their way back to being good players, and now you're the team who believed in them when nobody else did when it's time for them to re-up. And if they don't find their way back, they're cap space next year when you want free agents.

    It's win-win all around.

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    Attention Millsap fans: he just signed with Atlanta, who are officially Not Tanking Now.

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    Nice for the NHL to do all the marketing to call today Friday Free Agent Frenzy

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    Iguodala to GSW. Does that mean one of Thompson or Barnes is expendable??
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    Mayo to Bucks.......we've heard that one already,no? Another non tanker?

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    Millsap has just signed a 2-year 19 mil deal with ATL.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...eal-With-Hawks

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    Milwaukee isn't tanking. They are doing what they always do: throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

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