Micic is a guy getting no attention and is much deserving.
Between one and dones, sophomores, and intl players, 2014 is going to be great.
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I've never been ok with tanking. Its completely overrated, there isn't a single team in the past 10 to 12 years that comes to mind that tanked for a top pick and won an nba championship. The odds are so low its not even funny.
Also to me Ujiri doesn't look like the kind of guy who would tank intentionally, if he did trade Gay it would be for cheaper talent kinda like he did with Denver.
The NBA has a lot of parity, so teams have to distinguish themselves by having a very good coach and system, and a team that is well-constructed. The other way to do it is have a few superstars collude to play together. For the Raptors, they should be looking at models like Memphis and Indiana. The only top 5 picks that Memphis has had in the past 15 years are Hasheem Thabeet, Kevin Love and Mike Conley. They traded Love for another top 5 pick (OJ Mayo). Only Conley remains with the team, and he good but not a superstar. The rest of their team was built through good picks (later in the draft), and shrewd team building.
Indiana has had only one top 10 pick in 15 years (George at #10). They built the team with good talent assessment and understanding how a team is constructed.
These seem to be realistic and more rational models for building a team.
Colangelo did a good job of buying low on Gay (from a basketball perspective). He is young enough that his value is going to increase substantially in the next couple of years as he comes closer to the end of his contract. If Gay meshes well with JV and the rest of the team, then the Raptors should try to build a very strong team with the core that they have. Perhaps they can swap DD for more compatible players that build a distinct defensive and offensive identity. That's what GMs are paid for.
As a new GM you dont want to come in and Tank during your first year what sense does that make?
That's it. Sacramento isn't tanking yet: they're courting quality free agents and making it clear they're willing to spend money to make the playoffs. So is Detroit. So is Minnesota. So is Milwaukee. Even Charlotte is still trying to pursue free agents. One of the reasons I like the idea of trading Rudy to Detroit (albeit not at what they offered) is because it can simultaneously give us some helpful assets at the same time as it removes a potential lottery competitor - and even with Rudy, Detroit is hardly assured of making playoffs.
Only Boston and Philly are ahead of us right now, and what do they have? Boston has Brooklyn's pick (non-lottery) and Philly has New Orleans' pick (low lottery or non-lottery depending on how well their season goes; they're a playoff threat now). We should be moving, not in a panic, but smartly to get the best return on those assets we have which other teams crave and which can advance a rapid rebuild.
I do agree more with your 2nd paragraph, which seems to be talking about being opportunistic when retooling trades present themselves, to benefit both the short and long terms. I think that's just good roster management, regardless of the specific strategy being employed.
For me, my preferred approach, in order of preference:
1. retool - win now in a weak east, with more focus on building a team designed to really start winning in 2-3 seasons, in a sustainble way
2. rebuild - blow it up, tank, rebuild, whatever you want to call it when the short term is sacrificed for the long term (ie: 3-5 year horizon before sustainable winning is expected)
3. status quo - minor tweaks only... umm wasn't BC fired for wanting to continue down this path?
Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 3rd, 2013 at 04:25 PM.
It's so hard to get production out the wings spot and we have to players. People underestimate how talented this team is. With have two players that if their going good they are borderline all-stars(Lowry and Gay). We have an emerging all-star(Valanaciunas). Than we have a SG who just happens to be a top 5 scorer at his position. Lets just tweak a bit. No more tanking please.
Right now the shortlist for that is Milwaukee (offering Kyle Korver $20 million for three years? They're trying to overpay their way into the playoffs just like we did), Detroit (desperately wants a "name" power forward, maybe a point guard as well), and Sacramento (new owners want immediate success, also willing to overpay). MAYBE Charlotte, depends on how delusional they are this week. These are the guys who can afford to give away too much and who will do so, and not coincidentally they're also the guys who, if we can pry 2014 draft picks from them, stand a good chance of still being lottery.
(The next tier down is Cleveland, Minnesota, Washington and Portland, who are all still looking for pieces, but who are all more likely to make playoffs.)
Target those teams who are desperate - who coincidentally are also generally happy to make playoffs for one round only, because they tend to be smaller markets and the playoff money gives them a serious financial boost and cred with their fans. ENABLE these people. Tell Detroit that Lowry is available to solve their point guard woes since Brandon Knight isn't very good at being a point guard (he's a combo guard at best). Tell Sacramento we can get them to playoff contention, but it'll cost them that pick. WORK them. But in order to work 'em, you gotta be willing to give up something.
BC was fired for putting this team together. Saying it's fine is silly.
Ujiri is not going to give Gay away, but I still think he send him packing. My assumption is that he is merely waiting for the other shoe to drop. Once Iguodala and Smith have agreed to contracts the market for Gay will open wide! By my count, here are the teams that have been rumored to be interested in them, or have already met with them:
- Sacramento (offer withdrawn)
- New Orleans
- Golden State
- Golden State
I'm confident a few of those teams would not have interest in Rudy (Denver and Houston as examples), but several would view him as a solid back-up plan. Detroit in particular seems desperate to add a key wing player this offseason.
I think we are also forgetting that Joe Dumars is still in charge in Detroit. The same man who signed Gordon and Villanueva to huge contracts in the same summer. He is antzy and ready to spend some money!
However, I strongly disagree if you're sticking to the position that "tanking" and "status quo" are the only viable options for team building.
Gay trade rumors provide the perfect challenge to that type of thinking:
Tank Trade - expiring contracts who won't be part of the team's future and draft picks (purposefully get worse now, in the hopes of using cap space and draft picks to get better than you already are) --> the rumored Detroit offer would fall into this category (salary dump tank trade)
Retooling Trade - a young rotation player (could be established and already equally talented to outgoing player or young, slightly less talented, with high ceiling for improvement), contract filler (ideally still expiring, but at least not a handicap for future flexibility) and draft picks (may not be as high as a straight tank trade, but should still be decent)
Based on what TL/MU have said publically, based on alleged feedback to Detroit's offer and based on my personal assumptions from all of the above, I strongly doubt that MU is in 'tank' mode. Gay might very well be available - along with every other Raptor not named Valanciunas - but only for an insanely good deal, not just a dump/tank style trade. It's the motivation behind trades and what is being looked for in return, which is the difference between 'tanking' and 'retooling' in my books.
Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 3rd, 2013 at 05:09 PM.
I always like your posts Matt but today i swear your taking the words out of my mouth on like every post.
Well done, and thank you from saving me from typing.
Cavs (unless they land a big time FA)
Trailblazers (most likely will not be much better than last season)
Kings (depends on how the off season goes)
Those are 9 teams that are basically tanking next season or just not good enough for the playoffs as of right now. I obviously was exaggerating but that is still a lot of teams. You could throw Utah, NO or even the lakers on there (if Howard doesn't agree to stay). Which tallies up to around 13 teams leaving 1 spot available...
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