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  • Bendit wrote: View Post
    Lets just say I wish we picked Drummond over Ross
    How about Paul George over Demar Derozan?

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    • stretch wrote: View Post
      How about Paul George over Demar Derozan?
      Wrong draft. The George year we drafted 3 picks after and took Special Ed

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      • stretch wrote: View Post
        How about Paul George over Demar Derozan?
        George was in the 2010 draft. I think we actually wanted him, but he was picked a few spots earlier than Ed

        The only player picked after DD in 2009 that you can say is outright better is Jrue Holiday

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        • Xixak wrote: View Post
          George was in the 2010 draft. I think we actually wanted him, but he was picked a few spots earlier than Ed

          The only player picked after DD in 2009 that you can say is outright better is Jrue Holiday
          Ty Lawson maybe?
          @Chr1st1anL

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          • Xixak wrote: View Post
            George was in the 2010 draft. I think we actually wanted him, but he was picked a few spots earlier than Ed

            The only player picked after DD in 2009 that you can say is outright better is Jrue Holiday
            you could argue ty lawson, taj gibson and gerald henderson.

            well, they are better, but i don't really feel like arguing about it.
            @sweatpantsjer

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            • Point is i guess Demar wasn't a bad pick by any means. I know i personally wanted Jrue but whatever. Team needed a wing scorer just as much if not more too.
              @sweatpantsjer

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              • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                Ty Lawson maybe?
                ceez wrote: View Post
                you could argue ty lawson, taj gibson and gerald henderson.

                well, they are better, but i don't really feel like arguing about it.
                Both of you need to learn how to read. I said "outright" better. All of the guys you mentioned are debatable and thus do not fall under the same category as Jrue.

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                • ceez wrote: View Post
                  Point is i guess Demar wasn't a bad pick by any means. I know i personally wanted Jrue but whatever. Team needed a wing scorer just as much if not more too.
                  It's not even close to just as much, it's FAR MORE.

                  People like you love to be revisionists and act like they knew how things would play out 5+ years ago, but the fact is Jose was considered one of the best PGs in the league (top 10) by Raptors fans that year.

                  You can bullshit as much as you want about saying you wanted Jrue at #9 when he was projected to go 20th (http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mock_draft) all you want, but that's just a crock of shit as far as I'm concerned. The guys we were looking at were DeRozan, Henderson, T-Will and possibly Curry if he fell further.

                  Jose put up 13-9-3 on 50-41-98 shooting the previous year as a 27 year old PG. Neither fans nor the organization were looking for a PG.

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                  • Xixak wrote: View Post
                    Both of you need to learn how to read. I said "outright" better. All of the guys you mentioned are debatable and thus do not fall under the same category as Jrue.
                    I don't think it's debatable that Lawson is better than DeMar. Better PER, better WS/48, better shooter (except last year when his three-point shot wasn't falling, but even then he was overall a better shooter), comparable defender, better floor sense.

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                    • magoon wrote: View Post
                      I don't think it's debatable that Lawson is better than DeMar. Better PER, better WS/48, better shooter (except last year when his three-point shot wasn't falling, but even then he was overall a better shooter), comparable defender, better floor sense.
                      A point guard's PER is going to be better than a shooting guard's simply because of assists in most cases.

                      Among PGs that played 30+mpg Lawson's PER ranked 12th
                      Among SGs that played 30+mpg DeRozan's PER ranked 11th

                      PER is generally useless in this case. You can use it to compare two PGs, or two wings (SG or SF) or two bigs (PF or C), but other than that it makes no sense.

                      Aside from that you just listed a bunch of random stuff. Lawson is a better 3PT shooter, but DeRozan is better at a higher volume from mid-range, while both players are about equal around the basket (with DeRozan having more makes in the paint while also attempting and making more FTs).

                      Like you said defense is a wash, although I'll take DeMar because he can guard 2 positions at a mediocre level while Lawson can only guard 1 at a mediocre level. Kinda silly to compare a PGs playmaking to a SGs also.

                      As you can see it is debatable which is why I said he's not outright better. Lawson also has the benefit of playing on a superior team.
                      Last edited by Xixak; Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:56 PM.

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                      • PER is always useless outside of the superstar players.

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                        • And anyway my comments were in reference to the earlier conversation where a poster said:

                          Lets just say I wish we picked Drummond over Ross
                          Then it turned into a discussion about DeMar being picked over better players. Except it's not comparable because Drummond is a potential franchise big while Ross at best will be a solid role player. Whereas DeMar was only picked over potential fringe all-stars/solid-starters like himself.

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                          • Letter N wrote: View Post
                            PER is always useless outside of the superstar players.
                            You mean PER doesn't tell us Brandan Wright is better than Dirk, Aldridge, Cousins, Bosh, Horford, Marc Gasol, etc.? Go figure.

                            But, but, WS/48 is good to tell us Splitter is better than Duncan, Griffin, Westbrook, Wade, Curry, West, Bosh, etc.,,, right?

                            Ugh, stats are WAY over-relied upon to judge players.

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                            • Xixak wrote: View Post
                              It's not even close to just as much, it's FAR MORE.

                              People like you love to be revisionists and act like they knew how things would play out 5+ years ago, but the fact is Jose was considered one of the best PGs in the league (top 10) by Raptors fans that year.

                              You can bullshit as much as you want about saying you wanted Jrue at #9 when he was projected to go 20th (http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mock_draft) all you want, but that's just a crock of shit as far as I'm concerned. The guys we were looking at were DeRozan, Henderson, T-Will and possibly Curry if he fell further.

                              Jose put up 13-9-3 on 50-41-98 shooting the previous year as a 27 year old PG. Neither fans nor the organization were looking for a PG.
                              i'm not going to bother arguing who i wanted at the time since you apparently read minds? but Jrue and Lawson for that matter weren't projected to go where they landed, they slid. nbadraft.net isn't really the best site for anything draft related unless you need to be reminded of someones name or something.

                              and i'm not saying i knew then that jrue would be a better player than demar, just that i wanted him. while i've always certainly been a calderon fan, i think i speak for most that we could've used an upgrade at the position for a long time. not to mention at the time taking a swingman who needed a TON of polish and couldn't shoot was a poor pick since we were trying to put a winner around bosh.

                              you Derozen truthers are the worst. i hope he gets traded and you all follow him to whichever forum his team has.
                              @sweatpantsjer

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                              • and for the record, i like demar.
                                @sweatpantsjer

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