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    Seems like right now Ujiri is testing the market value on Gay, seeing what simmers to the top and if it's worth taking. If anything happens it probably won't happen until guys like Howard and Josh Smith are off the board.

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    I think he's probably doing that with eveybody, ceez. Just gauging the interest level. Don't think it means much.
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    Quote hotfuzz wrote: View Post
    Why? what would be the point? To become fodder for Miami Heat in 1st round? No thanks.
    the point is to give our sophomores some playoff experience. I rather go to the playoffs than tank for Wiggins, even if we get eliminated in the first or second round.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Seems like right now Ujiri is testing the market value on Gay, seeing what simmers to the top and if it's worth taking. If anything happens it probably won't happen until guys like Howard and Josh Smith are off the board.
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    I think he's probably doing that with eveybody, ceez. Just gauging the interest level. Don't think it means much.
    Regarding Rudy, it's possible that Ujiri isn't even the one initiating talks. All we know is that he got a call from Dumars. That's it.
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    Quote lilmamba_ wrote: View Post
    I'm pretty sure the raps this season are going to take advantage of all the teams who are planning on tanking. i hope the're going to make a run to get into the playoffs while giving jv and ross more minutes. rebuilding and making a run at the same time, my prediction ... 4-5 in the east .. a bit high?
    5th in the EAST is way high.

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    Zig when everyone else Zags!

    Raps beat out New York for 5th seed, face Brooklyn in the first round. Hopefully BEAT Brooklyn, and move to the 2nd round in the first time in like... ever. All the while gaining reputation/recognition for our players, thus being able to sell high during next offseason.
    Nothing like a solid playoff series win and competitiveness to showcase our talent!
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    the point is to give our sophomores some playoff experience. I rather go to the playoffs than tank for Wiggins, even if we get eliminated in the first or second round.
    I'm torn. We haven't WON a playoff series since 2001, when we beat the Knicks 3-2 in a best of 5 series. Although I think playoffs are very attainable this season, I don't see who we beat to get out of the first round. And to me just making the playoffs isn't enough.

    What I'm really hoping is that enough teams tank and tank so obviously that the NBA changes it's draft model completely. I'd love to see a mini tournament of all teams that didn't play make the playoffs to have a single elimination game tourney to determine draft order. Winner of the tournament gets top pick, and so on. With homecourt advantage being determined by head to head record. Anyway, that's not really a topic for this post, I just think that it's counter-productive to have a system that incentivizes being bad.

    I do think that you do have to entertain offers for pretty much every Raptor ('cept JV). If you get a crazy good deal for anyone, you take it.

    Ultimately I think our bench is WEAK, unless field's has managed to fix his broken shot. And I'm not sure how Ujiri is going to fill out his roster. I'm hoping he signs some undrafted players or internationals to cheap deals.
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    The Rockets are looking to move Royce White. No real surprise, but with everything that has gone on with him I don't think I'd touch him with a 10 foot pole. I can't recall a pick that high being such a pain in such a short period of time before, but he would definitely be in a 'buy-low' category.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    The Rockets are looking to move Royce White. No real surprise, but with everything that has gone on with him I don't think I'd touch him with a 10 foot pole. I can't recall a pick that high being such a pain in such a short period of time before, but he would definitely be in a 'buy-low' category.
    White might be the only player I wouldn't trade Bargnani for. A flat tire should never be a reason to miss a road trip :|
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    White might be the only player I wouldn't trade Bargnani for. A flat tire should never be a reason to miss a road trip :|
    What about Kleiza? Very much doubt that the Rockets would take him but he has to be our worst asset right now.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    What about Kleiza? Very much doubt that the Rockets would take him but he has to be our worst asset right now.
    Somehow, I see more entertainment value in Kleiza's serial killer facial expressions than White's appearances on Dr. Phil.





    EDIT: Neither are worth anything on the court
    Last edited by Nilanka; Thu Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:01 AM.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    The Rockets are looking to move Royce White. No real surprise, but with everything that has gone on with him I don't think I'd touch him with a 10 foot pole. I can't recall a pick that high being such a pain in such a short period of time before, but he would definitely be in a 'buy-low' category.
    If the Rockets land Howard, one would think they'd have serious interest in Novak.

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    What about Kleiza? Very much doubt that the Rockets would take him but he has to be our worst asset right now.
    White's rookie deal expires this year. Year 3 and 4 clearly will not be picked up. Kleiza is a $4.6M useless expiring vs. White's $1.7.

    If the Rockets could land Howard, do they like Novak?

    White (who will be told to stay home) and Terrence Jones for Novak? Could the Raptors even manage to squeeze a 2nd round pick out of it as well?


    If the Rockets sign Howard, they are expected to shift from an emphasis on high-upside – if high-risk – prospects such as White to the pursuit of more predictable veterans.

    The Rockets would not expect to receive much for White after getting the rights to two players selected in the second round and two second-round picks for Thomas Robinson, the fifth player taken in the 2012 draft. The extra picks, however, could help facilitate a deal in which a team with cap room agrees to take on White to pick up other assets.

    Because the second season of White’s contract is guaranteed, he would count against the Rockets’ cap whether he remains on the roster or they release him. The team has until next season to pick up an option on the third year of his contract, a step that can be considered extremely unlikely before he has played in an NBA game. If the Rockets don’t take that step and he plays well enough next season to show promise, he then would be a free agent.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Somehow, I see more entertainment value in Kleiza's serial killer facial expressions than White's appearances on Dr. Phil.





    EDIT: Neither are worth anything on the court
    Possibly my favourite post of all time.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If the Rockets land Howard, one would think they'd have serious interest in Novak.



    White's rookie deal expires this year. Year 3 and 4 clearly will not be picked up. Kleiza is a $4.6M useless expiring vs. White's $1.7.

    If the Rockets could land Howard, do they like Novak?

    White (who will be told to stay home) and Terrence Jones for Novak? Could the Raptors even manage to squeeze a 2nd round pick out of it as well?
    My proposal of LK wasn't at all serious. I was just curious how low Nilanka would be willing to buy. I think LK has to be our worst asset at this point.

    I honestly don't know if I'd trade Novak for White. White is talented but he's off-the-wall bonkers. Don't think he's worth it. Plus, Novak's 3 point shooting is a skill we could actually use. Like Nilanka, I don't think we get many points for White going on Dr. Phil.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    My proposal of LK wasn't at all serious. I was just curious how low Nilanka would be willing to buy. I think LK has to be our worst asset at this point.

    I honestly don't know if I'd trade Novak for White. White is talented but he's off-the-wall bonkers. Don't think he's worth it. Plus, Novak's 3 point shooting is a skill we could actually use. Like Nilanka, I don't think we get many points for White going on Dr. Phil.
    I wouldn't trade Novak for White. White would never step on Canadian soil. The trade would essentially be Novak for Terrence Jones.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't trade Novak for White. White would never step on Canadian soil. The trade would essentially be Novak for Terrence Jones.
    Oh he'd step on Canadian soil, but only on pieces named "Earl" for some reason.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't trade Novak for White. White would never step on Canadian soil. The trade would essentially be Novak for Terrence Jones.
    I'd be down for some Terrence Jones. Was really big on him as a low-risk pick in that draft. See his worst case as an actually competent tweener forward off the bench. And in the best case, maybe a more athletic Al Harrington, or a more polished Thad Young. And though I didn't watch him enough with Houston, he didn't suffer from "classic tweener syndrome" in college, because he could defend both forward spots, the key aspect for any player without a natural position.

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    By the way, if Howard ends up in Dallas Novak could be useful as well. I would not be opposed to sign and trade Wright or Collison. Hell, even if Howard does not end up in Dallas, I would not be opposed to a double sign and trade with Collison and Wright coming for DeRozan.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't trade Novak for White. White would never step on Canadian soil. The trade would essentially be Novak for Terrence Jones.
    Makes sense in terms of talent acquisition.

    Plus I call dibs on the "Terrence Brothers" moniker.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Oh he'd step on Canadian soil, but only on pieces named "Earl" for some reason.
    i'm not even sure exactly why this is funny.... but it is quite possibly the most hilarious post ever

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Makes sense in terms of talent acquisition.

    Plus I call dibs on the "Terrence Brothers" moniker.
    And they are very close friends too. I don't say that as in it's a good reason to acquire him, just a good reason for the nickname.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    By the way, if Howard ends up in Dallas Novak could be useful as well. I would not be opposed to sign and trade Wright or Collison. Hell, even if Howard does not end up in Dallas, I would not be opposed to a double sign and trade with Collison and Wright coming for DeRozan.
    While both are solid players, I wouldnt want to trade Demar for 2 players who will be in a backup role on the Raptors. But I do think Raptors have more assets now than they did last season that Dallas would be interested in. Maybe Novak, Fields and a couple 2nd's for Collison and Wright. No need to give up one of your best players for free agents. Teams would always prefer to get something than nothing.

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