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  • Buy him out right away because we don't want any trouble

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  • Trade him immediately because we don't want any trouble

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    With Marcus Camby asking for a trade or buyout, Iíve come up with a few coups to explore as he does not seem to be a willing team member moving forward. Iím not advocating for any team other than the Raptors at this point. Part of the difficulty in trading Camby is that he wants to be on a playoff contender which eliminates quite a few teams from being trade possibilities. Teams that can safely be eliminated from trade conversations with Camby are the Boston Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers, New Orleans Pelicans, Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers, Milwaukee Bucks, Utah Jazz, Atlanta Hawks, Charlotte Bobcats, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards, and Sacramento Kings.

    Iíve tried out some trades on the NBA Trade Machine one of which is sending Camby to the Pacers for Ian Mahinmi. This would be a great deal for the Raptors as Mahinmi is young and physical whereas Camby is aging and more of a good personality. Mahinmi can play heavy minutes, whereas Camby will likely only be able to play short spurts. Last year Mahinmi averaged 16.5 MPG (Minutes per game), 5 PPG (points per game) and 3.9 RPG (rebounds per game) playing in 80 of 82 games. Camby on the other hand only played 24 games last year due to a mixture of injuries and healthy scratches from the lineup. Camby averaged 10.4 MPG, 1.8 PPG, and 3.3 RPG during last season. I find this trade unlikely as Mahinmi if both younger (27 to Cambyís 39 years of age) and cheaper, but one can always hope right?

    The Raptors could try trading Camby to the Miami Heat for Joel Anthony. The Heat were originally after Camby before the Knicks signed him last summer. The Heat have not been using Anthony anyways, so this trade may have some chance of being discussed by both the Raptors and the Heat. What is not certain is if Miami are still looking for a Centre like Camby with the emergence of Chris ďBirdmanĒ Andersen last year. Iím not saying that Birdman and Camby are the same player, but they do play the same position, and already are playing behind Chris Bosh. With that in mind, minutes would be hard to come by and would be very difficult to be shared between them.
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    Camby is being patient..
    Last edited by LBF; Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 05:41 PM.

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    Of course he is. It's July and he doesn't have to report until September.

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    It wouldn't be bad flipping Camby for Anthony & 2014 2nd round pick. Being able to flip Anthony to another team to clear cap space would be even better. Anthony would be a $3.8M expiring contract next offseason.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Of course he is. It's July and he doesn't have to report until September.
    Ok. Jeez, lay off...just trying to scrounge up something to talk about.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    It wouldn't be bad flipping Camby for Anthony & 2014 2nd round pick. Being able to flip Anthony to another team to clear cap space would be even better. Anthony would be a $3.8M expiring contract next offseason.
    Interesting..I like the way you think..But, I'd like to see how Anthony does with some solid time in the hard court..
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    It wouldn't be bad flipping Camby for Anthony & 2014 2nd round pick. Being able to flip Anthony to another team to clear cap space would be even better. Anthony would be a $3.8M expiring contract next offseason.
    That's the kind of deal I would want for Camby. A pick and an expiring. 3 2nd rounders, a 1st rounder, an expiring contract, and a serviceable role player would be quite the haul for Bargnani.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    That's the kind of deal I would want for Camby. A pick and an expiring. 3 2nd rounders, a 1st rounder, an expiring contract, and a serviceable role player would be quite the haul for Bargnani.
    oops, realized Anthony has 2 years left on his contract (second year is a player option). Either way, still like the deal (if it were to happen).

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    Ya, I like the deal as well.
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    Camby to be bought out. Will we get finacials?

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    Financials? Unlikely.

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    Could the Raptors do a sign and trade with the Bulls? You know something like Robinson (+ maybe Big scrub) for Camby ( + maybe Q-Rich)

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    If the raps want to sneak under the tax we probably don't want to do a sign a trade. Buy out at 2 mill or under is probably best from that stand point

    edit: when I wrote this I hadn't heard confirmation of Kleiza being amnestied. If he has than the dynamics change and I don't think it's worth buying him out. Unless it's for something cheap like 1 mil.
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    I am not a fan of buying camby out. I was okay with it if it helped us get under the tax. Camby could be useful as our 2nd or 3rd center. There no reason why we can't tell him to suck it up and play. I'm happy to trade him to a contender at some point during the season as long as we get something back. It could even be an expiring scrub or a second rounder. But paying him 1 to 2 mil to play elsewhere I am NOT okay with, unless it somehow provides us with some cap flexibility. I this point I don't see that.

    I have no problem with the kleiza amnesty, but buying out Camby afterwards. It just reeks like a coangelo move.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    I am not a fan of buying camby out. I was okay with it if it helped us get under the tax. Camby could be useful as our 2nd or 3rd center. There no reason why we can't tell him to suck it up and play. I'm happy to trade him to a contender at some point during the season as long as we get something back. It could even be an expiring scrub or a second rounder. But paying him 1 to 2 mil to play elsewhere I am NOT okay with, unless it somehow provides us with some cap flexibility. I this point I don't see that.

    I have no problem with the kleiza amnesty, but buying out Camby afterwards. It just reeks like a coangelo move.
    If he is getting bought out (which seems to be the case) - it will be no where near 1 or 2 mm. We will be lucky to get a minor discount of of the guaranteed portion of his salary (I think 4 mm and change this year and 2 mm this year). So .. you should be thinking more like $5-$6 mm total for the buyout .. and evaluate it based on that.

    Its annoying for sure .. but from his perspective, hes guaranteed this money, so he wont walk away from it from just a fraction of what hes owed.

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    Quote mike, prague wrote: View Post
    Could the Raptors do a sign and trade with the Bulls? You know something like Robinson (+ maybe Big scrub) for Camby ( + maybe Q-Rich)
    That adds $4.3M to Bulls payroll. Given how cheap they are, no, I don't see it especially when that $4.3M will cost around $13M total with tax.

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    This stinks. Really stinks.

    If Camby is not giving up the $1M hit next year and some (or all!) money of this season, it really stinks.

    Guaranteed money is a contract. Show up is part of that contract no?

    My stance is unless you are giving up money you show up and earn the pay cheque. Getting traded is part of the profession. If you can't be dealt by deadline, you will be released before March 1st to make you playoff eligible to join whatever team you want.

    I can't tell you how pissed this makes me. It is a matter of principle.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    I have no problem with the kleiza amnesty, but buying out Camby afterwards. It just reeks like a coangelo move.
    Actually, it reeks of Babcock, who traded for a healthy Mourning and then paid him a ridiculous sum of money to win a championship with the Heat's Wade-Shaq combo. One can only hope that Ujiri's buyout is much more stringent, but I will still never understand why they don't just let these guys sit at the end of the bench.

    Fuck the PR nightmare, the only person who's going to be painted in a bad light is the player for not showing up, not the team for not paying him to work elsewhere.

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    Time to play hardball MU!!!

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    If he is getting bought out (which seems to be the case) - it will be no where near 1 or 2 mm. We will be lucky to get a minor discount of of the guaranteed portion of his salary (I think 4 mm and change this year and 2 mm this year). So .. you should be thinking more like $5-$6 mm total for the buyout .. and evaluate it based on that.

    Its annoying for sure .. but from his perspective, hes guaranteed this money, so he wont walk away from it from just a fraction of what hes owed.
    Isnt it guaranteed that he should work for it as well? This is a bizzaro world of work & pay "rules" that the players and agents seem to feel entitled about and live in sometimes using the threat of future delivery of clientele to uncooperative teams. MU should do what is best for the team and while I understand Camby's wants he should be prepared to pay for them.

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