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  • Buy him out right away because we don't want any trouble

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  • Trade him immediately because we don't want any trouble

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Thread: Camby saga - buyout details in post #100

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    Quote 2KJ wrote: View Post
    I guess he's still mad at the raptors for trading him for oak. Alonzo 2.0. I expected more from him, I thought he would be gracious enough to play a player-assistant coach type of role like juwan howard, since his career started here. maybe he could mentor jonas defensively.

    at least we still have novak, who's happy to be here, and is guaranteed to be of use. ship this bums ass outta here for 2nd round picks. we don't need him.
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    Quote Shantz wrote: View Post
    I would be surprised if Ujiri agrees to a buyout. There are been rumors that Ujiri is unwilling to use the amnesty on Kleiza because he views it as a waste of an asset. I don't see this situation any differently. Buying him out does nothing for the Raptors. I think he will either be traded this summer or held on until the trade deadline where he basically will function as an expiring contract.
    Also, we could fine him and save some money for rogers if he doesn't want to suiting up

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    You know, in some ways this trade is reminiscent of the Vince Carter trade. Some serviceable players coming to Toronto, picks and a former star big man who has no intentions of suiting up:

    Source: NY Post

    How are you going to feel if they buyout Camby, who is owed $7.6M?
    Next year is just $1M guaranteed.... so owed $5.3.


    Raps have leverage:

    1) try to find trade,

    2) save money on buyout,

    3) tell him to be a good soldier and they'll trade him before deadline OR release him by March 1st so he can join playoff team.


    If he doesn't like these options, he can give up money or sit at home suspended without pay (still counts on Raps books though).
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Buyouts don't count against the cap. Waiving him would.
    Waiving counts full contract against cap.

    Buy outs count against cap for whatever the buyout amount is.
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    It's bad timing for Camby to think this way, because the Raptors are heading into a season that won't matter a whole lot. We're not exactly in a desperate situation where a guy like Camby holding out on us would be something that hangs a dark cloud over the team.

    The other part of this is that he's not exactly at a point in his career where you think OH GAWD I WISH H3 WERE PLAYING 4 US, and the reality is there probably aren't that many "contending" desperate for his services either.

    On the other hand do you really want someone with this kind of attitude mentoring JV? I don't. Send him to Olajuwon's camp if you want him to learn.
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    It's bad timing for Camby to think this way, because the Raptors are heading into a season that won't matter a whole lot. We're not exactly in a desperate situation where a guy like Camby holding out on us would be something that hangs a dark cloud over the team.

    The other part of this is that he's not exactly at a point in his career where you think OH GAWD I WISH H3 WERE PLAYING 4 US, and the reality is there probably aren't that many "contending" desperate for his services either.

    On the other hand do you really want someone with this kind of attitude mentoring JV? I don't. Send him to Olajuwon's camp if you want him to learn.
    Or just spend the summer working with Sabonis once Summer League is over.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Or just spend the summer working with Sabonis once Summer League is over.
    Sure, if you think that would be useful. I'd rather him just watch Sabonis tape. Sabonis isn't doing too much these days, while Olajuwon has devoted his time to teaching young big men. There's something to be said about learning from an expert vs learning from an expert who has spent the last 7 years training others. Of course I take it all back if Sabonis has been doing the same thing.. I didn't find any evidence of this.

    Edit: I meant for the NBA. I'm sure Sabonis is helping out with the Lithuanian team or something like that (as opposed to sitting at home and watching tv all day).
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Sure, if you think that would be useful. I'd rather him just watch Sabonis tape. Sabonis isn't doing too much these days, while Olajuwon has devoted his time to teaching young big men. There's something to be said about learning from an expert vs learning from an expert who has spent the last 7 years training others. Of course I take it all back if Sabonis has been doing the same thing.. I didn't find any evidence of this.

    Edit: I meant for the NBA. I'm sure Sabonis is helping out with the Lithuanian team or something like that (as opposed to sitting at home and watching tv all day).

    I think you are over valuing Hakeem's sessions with others and undervaluing Sabonis' knowledge.

    Sabonis works very closely with the Lithuanian national team and JV.
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    Maybe you mean amnesty does not count but that doesn't apply to him, obviously it counts against the cap or teams would use it to get out of contracts all the time, what are you smoking?

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    If we can buy him out for 1 mill or less I say do it. He's not worth the 3-4 mill that we'd have to pay him. In talent or cap space.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think you are over valuing Hakeem's sessions with others and undervaluing Sabonis' knowledge.

    Sabonis works very closely with the Lithuanian national team and JV.
    As I said, knowledge is one thing, teaching is another. I think you're overvaluing Sabonis' impact on the Lithuanian NBA players.

    I've seen and read both Kobe and Lebron both credit Olajuwon for developing their post-game. When JV shows up with a ring and credits Sabonis, I'll be a believer.

    Anyway, Camby is a tough position and I don't think he'll be able to back up when he's saying. Not that he's really said anything.
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    Quote aaron.in.toronto wrote: View Post
    Maybe you mean amnesty does not count but that doesn't apply to him, obviously it counts against the cap or teams would use it to get out of contracts all the time, what are you smoking?
    Well, you can't just "buy out" a player without both parties consenting, and I think there are very few examples where both parties are incentivized to do a buy out, although this might just be one such case.

    If teams could force a buy out, then yeah, they'd be buying out bad contracts all the time.
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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    As I said, knowledge is one thing, teaching is another. I think you're overvaluing Sabonis' impact on the Lithuanian NBA players.

    I've seen and read both Kobe and Lebron both credit Olajuwon for developing their post-game. When JV shows up with a ring and credits Sabonis, I'll be a believer.

    Anyway, Camby is a tough position and I don't think he'll be able to back up when he's saying. Not that he's really said anything.
    So he can teach perimeter players some post up game.

    How did it go for Howard who trained with him in 2010 and 2011? Still no post game to speak of and his PPP started to fall starting in 2010-11 season.

    I'm not questioning Hakeem's abilities. My only point is Sabonis is one of the greatest to ever play the game and is no slouch. If I were a young player, I'd be ecstatic to work with either.

    And Camby is a dipshit.
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    An up side is that Camby's agent, if he is good, will be looking for trade alternatives besides the buy out so that his selfish effing client can go to another team while satisfying Masai.

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    One doesn't have to be a pro athlete or an agent to really understand what he needs to do. He sat at the end of the bench of a Knicks team that was destined to make the playoffs. He really thinks Miami is going to come and call just like that? Personally, if I were him, I'd work my tail off for the Raps to be the # 1 big man back-up to showcase my skill. Why wouldn't he just do that? My estimation is that he really doesn't care whether he plays another minute of ball in a contending team. He just wants to "Juwan" it. You know, ride the pine, be a practice dummy, get a ring.
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    With Howard going to Houston, and Asik wanting out.. I wonder if Houston would be interested in Camby. They love their bigs, and they would need depth there especially if Asik is moved.

    Novak is also a great floor spacer for Howard as well.

    Novak+Camby for Asik?

    Asik would be a great addition to the Raptors front court, but would he hurt JV's development? He would also have a large expiring contract next season.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    With Howard going to Houston, and Asik wanting out.. I wonder if Houston would be interested in Camby. They love their bigs, and they would need depth there especially if Asik is moved.

    Novak is also a great floor spacer for Howard as well.

    Novak+Camby for Asik?

    Asik would be a great addition to the Raptors front court, but would he hurt JV's development? He would also have a large expiring contract next season.
    It is with their love for big men that keeps Asik (and Lin) in Houston. Morey is a smart man and wouldn't want to thin out his bench. Camby will suit up. At the tail end of his career, would he really want to leave all that money behind? If so, he's dumber than a nail.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    It is with their love for big men that keeps Asik (and Lin) in Houston. Morey is a smart man and wouldn't want to thin out his bench. Camby will suit up. At the tail end of his career, would he really want to leave all that money behind? If so, he's dumber than a nail.
    It all is relative though. He has made around $120M in his career.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    With Howard going to Houston, and Asik wanting out.. I wonder if Houston would be interested in Camby. They love their bigs, and they would need depth there especially if Asik is moved.

    Novak is also a great floor spacer for Howard as well.

    Novak+Camby for Asik?

    Asik would be a great addition to the Raptors front court, but would he hurt JV's development? He would also have a large expiring contract next season.
    Novak and Camby can't be dealt together (or with anyone else) until September 10.

    Regarding Asik, I doubt the Raptors want him due to JV. I doubt he would be happy with that considering he reportedly now wants out of Houston. I'd be looking to be the third team in any Asik deal. Get a pick or prospect for Camby.

    The reality is though, I can't see Camby having much value at $4.3M per year. Minimum contract, yes. $4.3M, no.
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Novak suuucks so hard! Guy can drill an open 3 9/10 times. That's it.
    raps needed a pure spot up shooter who would just catch and shoot. novak is that guy. im fine with that as long as he doesnt start dribbling like jason crapono. raps best 3 pointer/s were andersen and lucas, who when they hit shots think they're kobe for the rest of the game.

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