Make him apologize for that Deandre Jordan comment..
How about we stop comparing Drummond and JV, and imagine if we drafted him instead of Ross.
A Drummond-JV frontcourt.
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There are huge difference between Val and Drummond. Here's my personal comparison:
Note: This is possibly slightly skewed mainly because JV averages slightly more minutes than Drummond
1. Offense - Val has a much better offensive game. According to Basketball Reference, JV has a variety of types of shoots that he shoots with decent accuracy. Here are the follow percentages for each shooting type: dunk (92.9% on 56 attempts), post hook shot (59.2% at 71 attempts), jump shot (39.7% at 126 attempts), lay-up (52.7% at 91 attempts) and tip shot (52.2% at 23 attempts). Andre on the other hand isn't as proficient at post moves and shoots as JV: dunk (91.2% on 145 attempts), post hook shot (18.2% at 11 attempts), jump shot (22.9% at 48 attempts), lay-up (48.8% at 125 attempts) and tip shot (60.6% at 33 attempts). As you can see, JV has an overall more diverse offensive game which would explain why his post hook shot, jump shot and layup percentage is much higher than Drummond's. Andre relies more on his athleticism to score which explains why his tip shot percentage is much higher than Valanciunas'. To look at this another way, we can look at based on the distance at which they scored. Most dunks, layups and tip shots would be points at the rim while hook shots, and jump shots can vary in distance from 3 feet to the three point line. If you look at Dummond, out of his 342 attempts, most of his shots are at the rim. In fact, according to Basketball Reference, he attempts 279 shots at the rim (68.8%) and only attempts 63 shots at 3 feet to the three point line (25.4%). Because of his lack of offensive game and athleticism, he has to live under the rim. JV, however, only attempts 165 shots at the rim (69.7%) and 202 shots at 3 feet to the three point line (44.1%). So it's pretty obvious that JV is WAY more talented offensively.
2. Defense - Defense is much harder to judge solely based on stats. Let's just look at blocks, and steal per 36 minutes to lessen the skew of the extra minutes. As for blocks, Drummond has more blocks than JV. Per 36 minutes, Drummond averages 2.8 blocks and JV averages 1.9 blocks. This is easily explained by Drummond's extra athleticism. As for steals, Drummond also has more steals than JV. Per 36 minutes, Drummond averages 1.7 steals and JV averages 0.4 steals. Of course, like I said, these don't necessarily say how good a player is defensively, but Drummond is a much better defensive player than JV. This can be explained by Drummond's extra athleticism and added strength. Drummond is an overall much stronger player weighing in at 270 lb and JV weighing in at only 231 lb.
3. Potential - This is the big question about these two players. One key thing to keep in mind is that JV is already 21 years old and Drummond is only 19 years old. Therefore, Andre has much more time to grow and improve. What does Drummond have to improve upon? Mostly his offensive game. Free throws is one of them and it's something that's not as easy to improve upon. Take for example, all star center Dwight Howard. When Howard started the NBA, his FT% was 67.1% but since then he hasn't improved upon it since. His averaged FT% is 57.7% and it his FT% hasn't been higher since his rookie season. I don't see Drummond improving significantly at his free throws. As for his offensive game in general, he still has time to grow. It's definitely something that can be improved upon. He is still 19 and this is why most people say that Drummond has way more potential than JV. JV, on the other hand, already has a polished offensive game and free throws. It's still something still needs to be improved, but the improvements will come easier to him than Drummond. Defense is where JV needs to improve. So to conclude, JV and Drummond are pretty different centers. JV is much more offensive oriented center that needs to improve upon defense and building up strength. Drummond is much more athletic defensive center that needs to improve upon his offensive game. Both are potentially future all-star centers. I would say that JV has a better chance at being one only because you are voted into the All-Star mostly based on your offensive production rather than your defensive presence.
PS. Sorry for the really long post. Got kinda carried away hehe xD
If you don't want to talk stats, even the eye test shows JV is already more polished offensively. JV can hit the mid range jumper which DJ will probably never be able to do. And he also has actual post up moves, whereas something like 95% of DJ's baskets are either dunks or put backs. DJ has the edge in defense so far due to his size and athleticism, but JV is also 4 years younger. Once JV gets acclimated to the NBA, improves his communication skills, and packs on some pounds there's no reason not to believe he won't reach DJ's defensive ability. He has a higher motor, good length, and has shown great lateral quickness (needs to improve on reading plays and rotation timing).
"They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
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I still stand by what I said - Val is not jesus christ as it is being made out here. I know it is hard for fanboys and they need Val to be their savior after years of hoping bargnani will turn out to be a franchise center. DeAndre Jordan with post-moves is a big ceiling and Val would have done really well to get there. Remember DeAndre is a starting center , only 24 and averages almost a double-double.
I also think it's funny that someone compared JV to DeAndre Jordan, when in fact, Andre Drummond is exactly the same type of player, just with more weight. Defensive Cs who can't hit a FT or a FG from 6-8 ft out. Very physically gifted and can dominate a game in that way, but limited skill set and average ball IQ.
Fun fact - Greg Monroe scored more points against the Raptors in their 4 match up's than he did against any other team in the NBA last season, 89 points. He also averaged 4 assists and 9.5 rebs/per game. He pretty much owned the Raptors and anyone guarding him, so it's silly to compare JV to him right now. If there is any chance at all of pairing JV with Monroe I'd be all over it.
Monroe is a better offensive player, and at the moment, a better player in general. I also see Monroe as a guy who's already stalled in his development. Hasn't added what he needs to defensively, and other than passing, his offensive improvement hasn't taken another step forward. Right now he's a guy that can dominate offensively, but doesn't consistently, and is rarely impressive on D.
Last edited by Blacklash2k4; Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 12:07 PM.
Drummond.......we don't know yet. His ceiling could be Shaq for all we know. His shooting numbers aren't good but they were significantly better than his shooting numbers in college. Who knows what he can do with proper coaching.
but hey.....we got the slam dunk champion............oh god we're gonna be regretting that pick for 15 years
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