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    Quote JStockton wrote: View Post
    ??? If you meant Brooklyn, they definitely are not tanking.
    Ooops, I actually meant Philly... thanks for catching that!

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    Obviously they meant New Orleans, but they have Jrue and Tyreke added to Eric Gordon, Anthony Davis, Ryan Anderson ... and are looking for more moves, I wouldn't call them a tank.

    For Boston, they could easily make the playoffs: Rondo, Wallace, Green, Avery, Hump, Lee, Sully, etc ... at least on par with other teams that will be fighting for 7-8 seed.

    I think the top of the east is: HEAT, Pacers, Nets ... Bulls and Knicks are capable of stumbling a bit ... and then the Raptors are right there, as constructed, to be the best of the rest - or maybe even surpass an injury prone old team like NYK.
    New Orleans is not tanking. They traded their 2014 pick (top 5 protected) to Philadelphia for Jrue. They are too strong a team with the roster they have to finish bottom 2 (ensures a top 5 pick). Unless they get destroyed by injuries and make the decision to bottom-out, they are gunning for the playoffs.

    For all of the talk from the media that half the teams in the league are going to tank, a lot of teams seem to view this as their chance to make a run at the playoffs.

    Right now I think Toronto is closer to bottom three in the east than they are to bottom 3 in the playoffs. Any injury to Gay, or in particular Lowry, would destroy the raptors as constructed. This is the main reason why I personally lean toward desiring a rebuild of sorts.

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    A lot of the "tank" teams have actually gotten better this offseason.

    Detroit added Josh Smith.
    Charlotte added Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller.
    Cavs looks like a playoff team now.
    Pelicans now have Holiday and Tyreke.
    Kings got a very good young player in Mclemore. And they have IMO the best C in the game in Cousins.

    Right now the teams that i project to battle for the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes are:

    1. Phoenix
    2. Orlando
    3. Philadelphia
    4. Boston(if they move Rondo).
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    A lot of the "tank" teams have actually gotten better this offseason.

    Detroit added Josh Smith.
    Charlotte added Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller.
    Cavs looks like a playoff team now.
    Pelicans now have Holiday and Tyreke.
    Kings got a very good young player in Mclemore. And they have IMO the best C in the game in Cousins.

    Right now the teams that i project to battle for the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes are:

    1. Phoenix
    2. Orlando
    3. Philadelphia
    4. Boston(if they move Rondo).
    I think Utah is one of the 'best' tanking teams, especially considering how strong and improved the Western Conference is. I'd say the 2 worst teams in each conference, to give a bottom 4 overall, are:

    - Utah
    - Phoenix
    - Philly
    - Orlando

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    Toronto is 2 injuries away from a total tank. IMO

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    Quote Profster wrote: View Post
    Toronto is 2 injuries away from a total tank. IMO
    So is Miami. You could easily say that about any team in the league. 2 significant injuries is a surefire way to derail just about any team (that's exactly how Duncan ended up in San Antonio).

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I think Utah is one of the 'best' tanking teams, especially considering how strong and improved the Western Conference is. I'd say the 2 worst teams in each conference, to give a bottom 4 overall, are:

    - Utah
    - Phoenix
    - Philly
    - Orlando
    Utah's a good young team man. Not a playoff team but not top 5-8 bad either.

    Kanter
    Favors
    Rush
    Hayward
    Burke

    Not a bad starting lineup. If Kanter and Favors can elevate their game to the next level. Watch out.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Utah's a good young team man. Not a playoff team but not top 5-8 bad either.

    Kanter
    Favors
    Rush
    Hayward
    Burke

    Not a bad starting lineup. If Kanter and Favors can elevate their game to the next level. Watch out.
    I think they'll eventually be a good team, but I think this year is a 100% tank... umm development year for them. With significantly more playing time, I think Kanter and Favors will experience big time growing pains. They also don't have a lot of veteran leadership.

    When you look at how strong the west is, I still think Utah will wind up being the 2nd worst team in the conference. I think their trade with GS was a pretty strong sign that they don't intend to win this season.

    WESTERN CONFERENCE

    Great Teams
    - Clippers
    - Rockets
    - Grizzlies
    - Spurs
    - Thunder

    Good Teams
    - Warriors
    - Nuggets

    Potentially Good Teams
    - Pelicans
    - Trail Blazers
    - Timberwolves
    - Lakers (depends when Kobe returns)
    - Mavericks (depends who else joins Dirk & Calderon)

    Bad Teams
    - Suns
    - Kings
    - Jazz

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    I think the Kings will surprise a lot of people this year.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I think the Kings will surprise a lot of people this year.
    True. I just about bumped them up a group... but it's the Kings... lol

    I think Phoenix and Utah are going to get creamed in the West this season.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    True. I just about bumped them up a group... but it's the Kings... lol

    I think Phoenix and Utah are going to get creamed in the West this season.
    I hope so. Utahs my favorite Western conference team by far and they'd be completely set if they got Wiggins or Parker

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    I hope so. Utahs my favorite Western conference team by far and they'd be completely set if they got Wiggins or Parker
    They've certainly done a good job of acquiring/developing some decent young players and gathering extra draft picks. They've also left themselves pretty wide open at the wing position, which the 2014 draft is likely going to be quite deep in. Starting with the way they managed the D.Williams situation a few seasons ago, they've done a great job positioning themsevles to be a strong team over the next 2-6 years, especially in light of them not being a very popular free agent destination. The fact that they did so without getting anything for Jefferson or Millsap is a little mindboggling... they've done well, but I can't help but feel they could have done even better with more effective asset management (at least Millsap).

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    WESTERN CONFERENCE

    Great Teams
    - Clippers
    - Rockets
    - Grizzlies
    - Spurs
    - Thunder

    Good Teams
    - Warriors
    - Nuggets

    Potentially Good Teams
    - Pelicans
    - Trail Blazers
    - Timberwolves
    - Lakers (depends when Kobe returns)
    - Mavericks (depends who else joins Dirk & Calderon)

    Bad Teams
    - Suns
    - Kings
    - Jazz
    I'd swap the Warriors and Grizzlies. I think the Grizzlies are a good team who are great at what they do, which is not quote the same thing as being great. Meanwhile, the Warriors just got better all across the board.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Ooops, I actually meant Philly... thanks for catching that!
    Lol old habits die hard!!

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    I'd swap the Warriors and Grizzlies. I think the Grizzlies are a good team who are great at what they do, which is not quote the same thing as being great. Meanwhile, the Warriors just got better all across the board.
    I could easily see my 3 groups switched to 2 groups, with the Warriors moving up (6 great teams) and Nuggets moving down (6 good teams).

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I think they'll eventually be a good team, but I think this year is a 100% tank... umm development year for them. With significantly more playing time, I think Kanter and Favors will experience big time growing pains. They also don't have a lot of veteran leadership.

    When you look at how strong the west is, I still think Utah will wind up being the 2nd worst team in the conference. I think their trade with GS was a pretty strong sign that they don't intend to win this season.

    WESTERN CONFERENCE

    Great Teams
    - Clippers
    - Rockets
    - Grizzlies
    - Spurs
    - Thunder

    Good Teams
    - Warriors
    - Nuggets

    Potentially Good Teams
    - Pelicans
    - Trail Blazers
    - Timberwolves
    - Lakers (depends when Kobe returns)
    - Mavericks (depends who else joins Dirk & Calderon)

    Bad Teams
    - Suns
    - Kings
    - Jazz
    Warriors(if they stay healthy) are the BEST team in the West in my opinion.
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    Quote Profster wrote: View Post
    Toronto is 2 injuries away from a total tank. IMO
    1 injury away. If either lowry, Valanciunas, or amir gets injured for a significant amount of time we are screwed.
    Gray starting, and Acy/novak first big off the bench is not gonna cut it. Julian stone as a starter is not gonna cut it. We have no depth besides the wings. Free agency is not over yet, but i don't see anyone that can be had for 5 mil that could start for 2 weeks. I think Ujiri is gonna decide what we want to do in january. If our record sucks in then, Rudy gay is gone to someone that's sniffing the playoffs.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Warriors(if they stay healthy) are the BEST team in the West in my opinion.
    Woah that's bold, but they do seem to be full of surprises. I think the Spurs are the best

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    Quote Sam17 wrote: View Post
    Woah that's bold, but they do seem to be full of surprises. I think the Spurs are the best
    Yeah i believe the Warriors are the best team in the West. The addition of Speights and Iggy are just going to make them much better. OKC is right there as well obviously.

    As for the Rockets? all i have to say is, Houston we have a problem. As good as Howard is, i think he's a cancer. And i think he's going to be a problem in Houston.

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    Anyone think that this upcoming season is going to be the most competitive season in a long time? It seems like a lot of teams have benefited from the development of young talent... The West in particular is crazy.
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