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    I said it before and I will say it again. I am reserving any judgement of Ujiri until just after the trade deadline this year. I think by then we will have all the information we need to see where we are going.
    That's good! Well,,,,,,,,,,, kinda,,,,,,,um,,, maybe. Not knowing what kind of time frames Ujiri has in mind, for making decisions he doesn't know he's making yet, I'd like to suggest that defining such a hardass deadline for yourself like that may not be good for your health,,,,,,,,,,,,, but, I know, you'll say it again,,,, trade deadline, come hell or high Ujiri!

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    I fully believe, if JV and Ross progress into contributing pieces ( JV a 15pt, 8-9 reb., solid defender, Ross a consistent outside threat, that can defend), that we are one good player away from being a contender. I like what Masai did with the Nuggets through trades and using his assets. With the Bargnani trade we were able to gain assets (expiring contracts, and draft picks), but I think now is the time for this team. If we have the ability to keep our core (JV, ROSS, DeMar, GAY), and add a player like LaMarcus Aldridge, we would be a contender.

    I really don't think we will be in the Wiggins sweepsteaks and we will probably be closer to 13-17. We are in that in between stage where we have to make a move, trading for a proven player is a sure thing. I hope Masai goes this direction.

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    I had a chance to watch a bit of Masai's media scrum. There is definitely the vibe that he doesn't like the karma of tanking but you also get a sense that he sees the logic in winding up there while following the more noble plan of "evaluating you team". I'm surprised nobody had jumped on the emphasis Masai has put on the next "4-5 days". In more than a couple of ways, he alluded to this period suggesting that trading would be active and we might have a better idea of where the raptors are going after that. I think he just wants to collect as many young assets as you can and move on. How can he possibly trade for someone that is better than one on our roster? We have no cap room to absorb anything. No one is going to give us a better player for any of ours straight up or even for a combination of ours. I think this means shipping out some talent for some future talent. Not tanking..just building. There is no way they think we are competing for a championship anytime soon so there is no reason to hang on to pieces that don't fit the "two year plan". Lowry and Gay will likely both be gone by then...why not ship them out now? Check out the feed if there is one. He was vague a lot as usual but he seemed to be talking concretely about the next 4-5 days. Then again...this is how we all got so excited for the blow up on draft night. I won't hold my breath.

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    then again, it looks like he may have just been talking about what to do with Kleiza when he said things should be clearer in 4-5 days

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    Ujiri: "i'd be comfortable beginning season with this roster"

    I do too. And i've been saying this for a while now. The Raptors have some good young pieces to build around. They're a playoff team if they stay healthy.

    What the Raptors need is they need to add another all-star caliber type of player to make them a contender. Have their own Big 3. Gay + JV + ?
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Ujiri: "i'd be comfortable beginning season with this roster"

    I do too. And i've been saying this for a while now. The Raptors have some good young pieces to build around. They're a playoff team if they stay healthy.

    What the Raptors need is they need to add another all-star caliber type of player to make them a contender. Have their own Big 3. Gay + JV + ?
    the only problem with this plan is "where do we just get that all-star?". We have no cap room. No one is going to go over the luxury tax to add a player to this team. Someone has got to go.

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    Last addendum for the night...I think the "two year plan" speaks to a window where the city/fans will tolerate losing before they expect to see the upside again..... not playoffs in two years. That's diggin'

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    I fully believe, if JV and Ross progress into contributing pieces ( JV a 15pt, 8-9 reb., solid defender, Ross a consistent outside threat, that can defend), that we are one good player away from being a contender. I like what Masai did with the Nuggets through trades and using his assets. With the Bargnani trade we were able to gain assets (expiring contracts, and draft picks), but I think now is the time for this team. If we have the ability to keep our core (JV, ROSS, DeMar, GAY), and add a player like LaMarcus Aldridge, we would be a contender.

    I really don't think we will be in the Wiggins sweepsteaks and we will probably be closer to 13-17. We are in that in between stage where we have to make a move, trading for a proven player is a sure thing. I hope Masai goes this direction.
    And who exactly are we going to trade (without losing anyone in our so called "core") to get this proven player?

    The lineup isn't even close to being a contender. We didn't even beat the heat ONCE last season. I highly doubt there's huge leaps and bounds in talent next season.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    And who exactly are we going to trade (without losing anyone in our so called "core") to get this proven player?

    The lineup isn't even close to being a contender. We didn't even beat the heat ONCE last season. I highly doubt there's huge leaps and bounds in talent next season.
    We can find that extra talent with our draft picks even 2nd round picks can produce Rondo, Ginobli, etc. And we can always pick up a bad contract like Boozer, for expiring contracts when we decide to go all in. Also Demar is still around and might increase his trade value by next season
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    In the span of a little more than a month, Ujiri has shown how good a GM can be..... makes BC look like a fool really.

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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    We can find that extra talent with our draft picks even 2nd round picks can produce Rondo, Ginobli, etc. And we can always pick up a bad contract like Boozer, for expiring contracts when we decide to go all in. Also Demar is still around and might increase his trade value by next season
    2nd round picks actually producing competent players are very few and far between. That's hardly a very realistic option to turn this team around.

    Picking up more bad contracts? I'm not sure if that is worse than the first thing you said.

    Demar increasing his trade value usually means he's playing better. Why would we want to trade him then?

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Last addendum for the night...I think the "two year plan" speaks to a window where the city/fans will tolerate losing before they expect to see the upside again..... not playoffs in two years. That's diggin'
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    And who exactly are we going to trade (without losing anyone in our so called "core") to get this proven player?

    The lineup isn't even close to being a contender. We didn't even beat the heat ONCE last season. I highly doubt there's huge leaps and bounds in talent next season.
    Going to be an unhappy summer for you guys?

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    In the span of a little more than a month, Ujiri has shown how good a GM can be..... makes BC look like a fool really.
    yep

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen him cut...
    As soon as the saw the above quote, I thought of the same thing as below.

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    Don't forget, he's also playing for a new contract.
    I am expecting Lowry to BlOW UP this season. But we need to remember that when renegotiating a new contract with him.

    It's nice during the rosy part of a new relationship where the person says it's "Win-Win" and you don't immediately think "You mean Lose-Lose?"

    Uriji is also getting a pass from me until the trade deadline. So far, I like what he's doing.
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    lol, What's tank nation going to do the rest of the Summer? Start a UjiriMustGo campaign?
    I don't think so.

    It might be maddening to hardcore fans and journalists but he is doing the right thing.

    I'm sure if he gets a knockout offer for anyone they are gone. But any deal is coming from a position of strength solidified by his secrecy and patience.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    And who exactly are we going to trade (without losing anyone in our so called "core") to get this proven player?

    The lineup isn't even close to being a contender. We didn't even beat the heat ONCE last season. I highly doubt there's huge leaps and bounds in talent next season.
    We have Draft picks, Amir, and expiring deals. I'm not against trading away 1st rounders for the right player. He has to be young, decent contract and a proven player. IMO we are close. We battled injuries, and youth last season. There's no doubt in my mind our present lineup plus another all-star, or borderline allstar PF wouldn't be in the top end of the East and possibly a championship team in the next 2-3 years. Miami could be dismantled after next season, Brooklyn is old, the Knicks...are the Knicks... now is the time.

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    the only problem with this plan is "where do we just get that all-star?". We have no cap room. No one is going to go over the luxury tax to add a player to this team. Someone has got to go.
    Amir Johnson + T. Ross (maybe pick as well) for Rajon Rondo.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Going to be an unhappy summer for you guys?
    ???? I'm ok with that plan. My summer will be great.

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    There is truth to the theory that "time breeds chemistry". It's very possible that an extra summer and training camp together could yield some positive results that didn't materialize last year.

    Now I'm not confusing this team with a top-4 seed, but the Raptors could be an entertaining bunch, which (in theory) raises the value of most of our roster, and maintains the option for Ujiri to make franchise-altering moves when the chance presents itself.

    Could be an entertaining year for a number of reasons.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'm sure if he gets a knockout offer for anyone they are gone. But any deal is coming from a position of strength solidified by his secrecy and patience.
    I think that is the central point I took away from the Ujiri quotes. The Raptors are still open for business, but aren't going to sell the farm on any deals.

    For me, I found the phrase "content to go into the season with this roster" to speak volumes. That doesn't strike me as a high endorsement for how Ujiri views the current makeup of the Raptors.

    It doesn't imply that this is the roster/path that he wants for this season, it says that it is better that some options (Detroit's garbage offer for Gay).

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