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    Why the hell would you buy him out? He wants to go to a contender. If a contender wants him -we need something.
    If he does not report, suspend his ass. I don't think he wants to spend his last year in NBA on injury or suspended list.
    I don't know exactly how a buy out works, BUT I believe our resident CBA expert Matt52, pointed out that if you buy a player out, you only are stuck with a cap hit of the buy-out figure. Which means that if Camby wants to be bought out for 1-2 million, you can save A LOT of cap space.

    If he wants to be bought out for more, then you sit him on the bench/suspend him.

    But I'm not as anti-Camby as some are. He's in his last years and was really expecting to be part of a Knicks team that challenged for a championship. Allowing his disappointment to be seen publicly is a faux pas, but that disappointment wasn't directly AT toronto, but AT not being part of a contender. He will suck it up, and either mend fences with toronto, or agree to a buy out/trade on Ujiri's terms.
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    Team option on Hansborough for second year means Masai is still busy creating flexibility.
    That better be a "non-guaranteed" second year as opposed to a "team option"
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    I don't know exactly how a buy out works, BUT I believe our resident CBA expert Matt52, pointed out that if you buy a player out, you only are stuck with a cap hit of the buy-out figure. Which means that if Camby wants to be bought out for 1-2 million, you can save A LOT of cap space.

    If he wants to be bought out for more, then you sit him on the bench/suspend him.

    But I'm not as anti-Camby as some are. He's in his last years and was really expecting to be part of a Knicks team that challenged for a championship. Allowing his disappointment to be seen publicly is a faux pas, but that disappointment wasn't directly AT toronto, but AT not being part of a contender. He will suck it up, and either mend fences with toronto, or agree to a buy out/trade on Ujiri's terms.
    I'm not one to doubt Matt52 when it comes to cap issues, but I think he may be off on this one. I'm pretty sure on a buy out the team's cap hit is still the full amount of whatever a player is guaranteed. So in the case of Camby the Raptors would still be responsible, on the salary cap, for 4.4 mil this season and then 1 mil (?) next season.

    From CBA FAQ (#66)

    Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player
    But I may be intepretting that wrong. Maybe Coon means the amount guaranteed under the buyout, although I don't think so.

    To the original post. Just to play a little devil's advocate, Masai would have gained more financial flexibility through amnestying Bargnani than trading him in this deal. This year it would have meant little because the team would have been over the cap regardless, but it would have freed up approx 4.5 mil more in cap space (as the roster stands + waiving/buying out Camby and QR).

    The trade ofcourse netted this team some picks, and a partially useful player in Novak so obviously there is more too it. But in terms of pure financial flexibility it was a downgrade from amnestying Bargnani.
    Last edited by Craiger; Wed Jul 10th, 2013 at 07:22 AM.

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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    That better be a "non-guaranteed" second year as opposed to a "team option"
    As has already been said in other threads about this kind of deal, first reports often get that kind of thing wrong....so here's hoping it's the former.

    $3 million is a bit high for me, but only because I wanted the Raps to use 3-4 million to go after Chauncey. I want Chauncey!

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    I'm not one to doubt Matt52 when it comes to cap issues, but I think he may be off on this one. I'm pretty sure on a buy out the team's cap hit is still the full amount of whatever a player is guaranteed. So in the case of Camby the Raptors would still be responsible, on the salary cap, for 4.4 mil this season and then 1 mil (?) next season.

    From CBA FAQ (#66)



    But I may be intepretting that wrong. Maybe Coon means the amount guaranteed under the buyout, although I don't think so.

    To the original post. Just to play a little devil's advocate, Masai would have gained more financial flexibility through amnestying Bargnani than trading him in this deal. This year it would have meant little because the team would have been over the cap regardless, but it would have freed up approx 4.5 mil more in cap space (as the roster stands + waiving/buying out Camby and QR).

    The trade ofcourse netted this team some picks, and a partially useful player in Novak so obviously there is more too it. But in terms of pure financial flexibility it was a downgrade from amnestying Bargnani.
    I think the way I had it is correct. Lets look at Aaron Brooks and the Sacramento Kings last year:

    From March 1, 2013:

    The Kings completed a contract buy out with guard Aaron Brooks on Friday, a move that makes him eligible for the playoffs should he sign with another team before the end of the regular season.
    Brooks, 28, signed a two-year contract worth $6.6 million with the Kings last summer, which included a player option for 2013-14.

    http://nba.si.com/2013/03/01/aaron-b...tract-release/
    So average of $3.3M per season. Player option for 2013-14.

    Based on HoopsWorld.com salary pages we see:

    in 2012-13 he had a cap hit of $2.575M,

    in 2013-14 he has a cap hit of $675K.



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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think the way I had it is correct. Lets look at Aaron Brooks and the Sacramento Kings last year:

    From March 1, 2013:





    So average of $3.3M per season. Player option for 2013-14.

    Based on HoopsWorld.com salary pages we see:

    in 2012-13 he had a cap hit of $2.575M,

    in 2013-14 he has a cap hit of $675K.



    The bold is correct.
    Reading a bit further into the CBA FAQ I think you are correct. So I'll stick with my not doubting you on cap issues (to often )

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    Reading a bit further into the CBA FAQ I think you are correct. So I'll stick with my not doubting you on cap issues (to often )
    Please don't. I've been corrected more than once.
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    probably going to merge this with something else shortly but for now....
    ----------------------------2013--------- 2014 ---------- 2015

    Quentin Richardson ---------1.4m ---------*1.45m-------- *1.5m
    Julyan Stone----------------800k ---------*900k
    Steve Novak----------------3.75m---------3.45m--------- 3.75m
    Marcus Camby--------------4.4m----------*4.3m
    Tyler Hansborough-----------2.5m----------2.5m

    * = non guaranteed

    Pyscho Ts salary is an estimate based off of tweets suggesting "part of the MLE was used to sign him"

    1.) Nothing here is untradeable
    2.) Everyone has a specific skillset
    3.) Only one of these toys with the notion of "upside"
    You could actually trade everybody else and play that lineup (plus JV) as your starters to ensure that you got a top 3 pick in 2014. Nobody could top that tank.

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    Quite an interesting thread, fellow mods and admins, please merge if feel the need too, but this tweet is very interesting. Videos and more quotes to be updated as they are uploaded later on.

    If Ujiri truly feels comfortable starting the season with this team, it seems obvious to me, that the Raptors are re-tooling.

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    I told you guys. Ujiri is a master retooler, he's not with that tanking BS
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    Woop. Ya beat me to it!

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    Quite an interesting thread, fellow mods and admins, please merge if feel the need too, but this tweet is very interesting. Videos and more quotes to be updated as they are uploaded later on.

    If Ujiri truly feels comfortable starting the season with this team, it seems obvious to me, that the Raptors are re-tooling.
    I have a few observations:

    1. I can't see the Raptors starting the season with the current 15 man roster. I'd be surprised if the Camby and/or Kleiza situations are left unresolved. I also can't see them going into the season with just 2 PGs on the roster, especially when one has proven to be injury-prone and the other is still quite raw.

    2. Both Ujiri and Weltman left the door wide open to hugely significant trades being made prior to the season (ie: Gay and/or DeRozan), as long as it's a fantastic offer.

    3. MU is going to treat the first half of the season as one big roster evaluation, with regards to both individual player talent/potential and player 'fit' together. If this core doesn't produce solid results (ie: highly competitive with much improved win/loss record) while showing plenty of room for further improvement, I expect MU to be extremely busy leading up to the trade deadline. I could see MU going from 'compete for playoffs' to 'tank for 2014 draft and 2014 offseason rebuilding/retooling' in a heartbeat. He has several good players (ie: Gay, DeRozan, Lowry) and lots of expiring / potentially expiring (team option / non-guaranteed) contracts at his disposal (ie: Kleiza, Lowry, Gray, Johnson, Hansborough, Camby, Richardson, Stone, Acy), to use as trade bait.
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 10th, 2013 at 05:18 PM.

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    Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen him cut. Remember him still being chubby back with Houston and Memphis.

    I like it more for what it insinuates about his effort/concentration level than anything. Didn't notice stamina ever being a big issue...

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    I like it more for what it insinuates about his effort/concentration level than anything. Didn't notice stamina ever being a big issue...
    I thought he looked gassed several times this season

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen him cut. Remember him still being chubby back with Houston and Memphis.

    I like it more for what it insinuates about his effort/concentration level than anything. Didn't notice stamina ever being a big issue...
    Don't forget, he's also playing for a new contract.

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