This has already been mention in other threads. Another reason why Ujiri hasn't blown things up. His tweak the bench abd hasnf touched the starters. Thier's potential on this team.
Wow that's really something. We're ahead of OKC's, Indiana's and the Clippers' starting lineups.
That's rediculous. I thought it might be ok, but that is a rediculous point margin for a team that lost 48 games last year and the sample size is fairly large. Still, after Gsy arrived we did go something like 18 W and 14 L, so this does kind of reason out.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
I really don't know why people give this starting line up such a hard time. Is cause of all the money tied up to the wing position? This a talented starting 5. With room to get better. The most promising thing about those standings is that in the top five we have the chance of getting better. Those other lines up can't really be any better.
Unfortunately for us, benches play a large role in the W-L columns.
If only starters could play 48 minutes a night....
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
Did anyone actually think our starting line-up was why we lost games?
This whole "best lineup" thing is kind of silly anyway. Ooh, our starting lineup is fifth? Man, it must've sucked for Boston, whose best lineup in this metric was 24th - oh, right, they won seven more games than we did. Well, it sure sucked for Golden State and Houston (19th and 20th respectively) - oh, right, 13 and 11 more wins than us, respectively.
DD is an average to below average NBA starter. The average NBA player makes around $5M per season. The median NBA salary is something like $2.5M. He is overpaid somewhere in the range of 2-4 times his production. In the new CBA with ridiculous penalties every dollar below the cap counts because the ability to take other team's money presents itself. We are already seeing a lot of teams making financial versus basketball trades.
DD will be 24 this upcoming season with 9700 NBA minutes under his belt. He has already equaled the length of an average NBA career. He has been a 1st or 2nd option for nearly 3 seasons. Nearly 100% of players with that much experience and opportunity have shown what they are. If there was still natural talent left to be tapped, a man of his work ethic would have extracted it by now. Unfortunately it seems quite likely the following statement while harsh is true: he is what he is. All the potential talk is a sad sequel to a recently departed Raptor who had all the talent but just lacked the work ethic and desire - of if we could only make a Raptor Hybrid.
Here is a fun game that illustrates the frustration with DD's extension. Player A is just signed to a new 4 year, $38M contract. Player B is signed to a one year veteran minimum. And now......
GUESS THAT PLAYA!
(all stats are per48 minutes)
This is not to say that player A and B should be paid equally - hardly. Player A is younger and is known for strong character unlike player B. However, when you get past subjective intangibles and look strictly at individual on court production, is the difference worth $8.3M per season?
Last edited by mcHAPPY; Mon Jul 15th, 2013 at 02:11 PM. Reason: PPP backwards
As already mentioned, this was touched upon already in some other threads, but I still need to state my opinion about this.
Our starting lineup is indeed pretty good. Our bench, especially after the Rudy Gay trade, sucked bad.
We lost our two main guys that played quality minutes either off the bench or as starters - Ed Davis and Calderon. With both of them gone, our bench was absolutely bad, real bad.
- We had Anderson who was good for 1 out of 6 games, huge chucker.
- We had Bargs who didn't play much, but when he did, he shot 29% from the field (Dos Equis somewhere here...).
- We had Ross, who was horrible most of the time in the second half of the season.
- We had Lucas III who would have one good performance every 10 games, but was horrible otherwise
- Kleiza didn't play at all.
- Fields couldn't shoot.
- Gray is, well, Gray. He's ok, neutral with all of his 99 shades.
With Hansbrough we're gonna be a lot better already. Steve Novak should give us some consistent 3-point production. If Fields starts knocking down his shots and does the other things that he does - great!
My only concern is the backcourt off the bench. We need Ross to become more confident and more consistent with his shot. I don't even expect much improvement in ball-handling and other stuff from him, he just needs to shoot it at a respectable %. Be a spot up, knock-it-down type of player. Pretty much like Novak. If he can do that, I would be happy!
The biggest problem I see though is at the point. Lowry himself still needs to prove that he can be an efficient starter, but first of all he needs to prove that he can stay healthy and play more than 60 games over the course of one season. Because if he can't - we're in trouble. Our backup PG's are unproven. Already it could be a mess when they come in for some PT to give Lowry a breather during the game, but if Lowry goes down with an injury for a prolonged amount of time - we could be in serious trouble. Then again, I know that Fields, if his hand is OK, could play some at the point, but that is NOT ideal.
If we somehow could get another PG in the league of a Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour before the season starts, I would be very confident about my Raptors going in to the next season. Especially when I consider that JV will be much improved and, to a lesser degree, also should be the rest of the starters. We'll see what happens.
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