I think these numbers show promise but a couple of reminders.
that's a less than ten game sample size
It came at the end of the season where we alternated between teams resting stars for the playoffs, and teams looking to plunge further into the tank hole
Assuming some incremental improvement gets us a couple more wins (not an unreasonable assumption) and we're basically a .500 team, which means we're most likely battling for a shot at the 8th seed with no obvious prospects for improving the team going forward because we're still going to be financially hammered in place.
Ok people, teams don't rest their starters for the final 25 games. Only in the final 5 games of the season did we play teams who were resting their best players for the playoffs.
That lineup was also one of the best defensive lineups in the league!
Now imagine that same lineup going through training camp together and getting more chemistry underneath them!
We just need to make sure that Ross and Hansbrough can pick up the slack from the bench, because as I remember correctly, we would always lose our competitive edge the moment Lucas III came in... the offense fell to a hault, and the coach scrambled and improvised the rotations attempting to plug that whole.
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Some people on here are impossible to please. So quick so prove our optimism wrong with advanced stats that show we suck but when the stats show that's not true... somehow we still suck lol
basically what I am saying is, although we should be encouraged that they do well together, I would temper that with a nice dose of reality
Many, including myself, have posted the reasons why this is likely an aberration. That said, if our five were an aberration, should there not be another aberration group? Of the top 15 ranked, all but us were not only playoff teams but top tier playoff teams. You have to fluke really hard to get that high on the list. Is it just the perfect storm of Rudy joining and Val returning at the same time as the schedule got softer and teams started resting/tanking? Maybe there is some gold in them thar hills. (yeah...fool's gold..I got it ) As much as the softer schedule can explain some of our wins, it doesn't have to explain our wins. We essentially had an entirely new team from Feb 1st on (rudy trade and JV back after 2 months). I'm wandering into the "tank or retool" thread but maybe Masai is holding still to see if this was only an aberration or if there may be something to it.
and why is it only 25 games? Rudy and JV both joined the team with 33 games left. JV was eased back in for a couple of games but that's it. Was AB getting all those minutes?
The issue wasn't the starters, it's the bench. Then you have to ask, "Do you have to move a starter to improve the bench?" And then you get to start the ugly "Which one do you move?" debate. The Raptors still have a question mark at backup PG, and no offense off the bench, unless Ross takes a huge leap.
I don't get all of the problems people have with this... That line up played better than their competition by a significant margin. Does that mean they are the fifth best sarting line up in the league? No, of course not, what it means is that they played reasonnably well together last year and we should be optimistic that they might play well again this year. The sample size is not bad, about a quarter per game for 25 games and even if it's against scrubs like some people are suggesting, it still shows that that particular line up was able to beat those scrubs badly, which is positive and hasn't been the case with our starters for the last few years. Think of it like this: What was the Raptors total point differential for those games per 100 possesions? I'm not sure but I'm going to guess it was negative. Now how much better than that base line was this line up?
I think it's a cool piece of data that gives us another reason to be optimistic.
Last edited by hateslosing; Mon Jul 15th, 2013 at 04:45 PM.
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that's what I am saying. Be encouraged, just don't start planning the parade route
No matter the desired route, no championship is coming in the next couple of years, but building up the assets currently in the fold, then deciding which ones to move, and what's needed as return, is the balanced, see what we've got first approach that some see some promise in.
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I've always said during the games that our starting line up is good enough for a contending team. Bench is the problem. Don't you remmember games and the pattern in every of them? 1st quarter, starters go for 28 point 12 minutes, Raps lead. 2nd quarter, bench plays and starters rest, we get blown out. 4th quarter, close but cannot close it out because of various reasons, coaching... etc... but mainly becaues of our bench.
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