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    Default Should Tyler Hansbrough start?

    1.) His per 36 last season

    15 points would expect as much as 18 here as he had no role in the Indiana attack

    10 rebounds (would likely stay the same)

    8 FTAs a game would put the opposing team in a lot of foul trouble considering Jonas is quite good as drawing fouls as well.

    2.) Amir would still play starters minutes of between 28 - 35 a game between PF and C, and he plays just as well off the bench as he does as a starter.

    3.) Better to let him put the hurt on the other teams starters instead of their bench.

    4.) I don't think he can play the 5 effectively which means if he is the backup 4 his minutes would likely shrink to 15 - 20.

    5.) If he gets in foul trouble you can always go to Amir. If Amir gets into foul trouble starting, Jonas has to play extended minutes or the raptors have to go small.

    I'm not married to this theory yet I am just wondering if anyone else sees value in going this direction?

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    also before anyone freaks out about me saying 18, I see that as the best he could do based on hitting 75% of the 8 free throw attempts, getting put backs off offensive rebounds, and a couple of 10 to 15 footers a game.

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    Putting aside trying to project production....

    -I very much like the idea of Tyler bringing his energy off the bench

    -Similar to how you say Amir would still play starter's minutes, there's nothing keeping him from doing the same

    -I like Amir starting defensively next to Jonas. Hansbrough's ok defensively, but Amir/JV provides a longer, more athletic starting frontcourt that should help establish the defensive tone Casey wants.

    -I actually like the idea of Tyler's limited offense off the bench. He rebounds hard on the offensive end (good for if/when things get sloppy). He plays with energy which will catch some bench bigs sleeping. Should also be some opportunity for touches on the 2nd unit, since Gay, DeMar, Lowry and JV will eat up all the touches on the starter's unit. He doesn't need a lot of touches, but he does have some post moves to put to use....And that actually works for both guys, since Amir works best off the ball and is thus a great fit on the first unit.

    *As for production (just for fun). I think regardless of first/second unit, they could maybe get something like 11-13 pts and about 6 boards from Hansbrough in 25 mpg.
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    i think the best place is bench for him. he comes in for either jonas or amir and the team adapts to it. also everything that mr.t is good at so is amir so it's kind of a wash. i would rather reward amir for his hard work and sacrifice then just hand his job to someone else. of course it will all come down to earninig it in the end.


    i am actually really excited to see amirs' 18 footer.
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    I like his response in his interview, paraphrasing:

    No expectations.
    Going to go all out in training camp.
    What happens happens.
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    His offense is pretty bad and his defense is only passable in a vacuum. The value of Hansbrough is that he can completely shift the flow of a game on any given night with his energy. Those type of players are made for off the bench.

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    His offense is pretty bad and his defense is only passable in a vacuum. The value of Hansbrough is that he can completely shift the flow of a game on any given night with his energy. Those type of players are made for off the bench.
    Bingo

    Hansbrough is the type of guy where you basically throw ANALYTICS out the window because there's no way to measure (yet!) being a pest and getting under players' skin.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Bingo

    Hansbrough is the type of guy where you basically throw ANALYTICS out the window because there's no way to measure (yet!) being a pest and getting under players' skin.
    Yet he does have some nice advanced stats:

    WP48 .13

    PPP 1.40

    FTA/48 10.5 (more than double average PF)
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    Are there any other NC fans here? Tyler can play. This is a great signing and he will become a super raptor. Guy spills blood for the colours he wears. If he were a crip there wouldn't be bloods anymore.

    Wiki him and look at his college numbers, you don't score like that without being able to put the ball in the hoop.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    Are there any other NC fans here? Tyler can play. This is a great signing and he will become a super raptor. Guy spills blood for the colours he wears. If he were a crip there wouldn't be bloods anymore.

    Wiki him and look at his college numbers, you don't score like that without being able to put the ball in the hoop.
    I think he is somewhat underrated.

    However, there is a significant jump in athleticism and size from college to the NBA. I think that has hurt him relative to his college numbers.
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    I love Amir too much to not let him start. He Deserves it 100%, Amir has earned it so Tyler has to earn it too. D Case is not going to pull amir from the starting lineup unless Psycho T goes off and starting putting up monster numbers off the bench.

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    3rd big. With how aggressive he plays, he might be better in just short stints.

    However, this team has always had problems starting games, 1st quarters are brutal to watch. Start him if you really want to, but only for a good spurt... still give the majority of the minutes to Amir.
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    there are 96 minutes available in the big rotation.

    JV - 36
    Amir - 30
    Hans - 30

    should be about right give or take.

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    I say use Amir for backup because he is more naturally inclined to play center (although he is still clearly a 4). So (and please don't take this as gospel it's a god damn example people, and I know how you love to see examples and start shitting on them as though they are stated fact) If Taylor and JV start, Amir can come in at the 6 minute mark play with JV until JV needs a breather then Taylor can come back out and Amir can slide to the 5. It's the versatility of Amir that makes him the better backup. Hansbrough is a straight up 4.

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    also consider our starting unit. Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, are all offensive players, JV is two way, and Amir has a more developed offensive game than Pyscho Killer Quest Que Ce. Fa fa fa fa fa far better. run run run run run run run awwwwaaayyyy. Sorry I got side tracked. Point being give your second unit an offensive burst. Also if Taylor don't call me Hansen or you'll regret Hansbrough, is so good at drawing fouls, in fact something he is elite at, don't we want him getting the other teams starters in foul trouble. So if Taylor How am I funny? Funny how? What am I clown do I amuse you? Hansbrough I ughh...I actually don't have another point here I just wanted to use that nick name.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    I love Amir too much to not let him start. He Deserves it 100%, Amir has earned it so Tyler has to earn it too. D Case is not going to pull amir from the starting lineup unless Psycho T goes off and starting putting up monster numbers off the bench.
    Yup. Part of managing a team is managing the psyche of these guys. The Raps warrior that Amir has been has well earned his shot over a Hansbrough type newcomer. No way that should happen. without clear evidence it's better.

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    Default He wants to start

    This guy wants to start. Wants to start like a stray dog wants to find scraps of food. Wants to start like a sunflower wants rays of sunshine. Wants to start like a drowning man wants gasps of air. Wants to start like Ö ah, never mind, you get the idea.
    A bit overdone with the metaphors but.........


    Of course he wont say it in today's interview. I think a major reason he is here that he either sees a good opportunity to start or the team has at least given him some assurance that he could get a good shot at it....or both. If his general play attitude is anything to go by, count on him to be clawing and scratching in practice to get the starting spot. This is his chance to get into the next echelon of players and money as well.

    This piece speaks to it.....

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/playe...ler-hansbrough

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    I reject any argument outright that says a player "deserves" to start. That is thinking with your heart instead of trying to win basketball games. Amir Johnson deserves to start if playing him as a starter is more beneficial to the team, not because he is a super nice guy who tries really hard.

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    Hansbrough stated his case for starting during a six-game stretch in March, when he filled in for West, who had a strained back. He had four double-doubles in that run, and was within two rebounds of a fifth. Overall he started eight games during the season and averaged 14.75 points and 10.1 rebounds – production that would make him a well-paid starter in a lot of places.
    hmmm

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Hansbrough stated his case for starting during a six-game stretch in March, when he filled in for West, who had a strained back. He had four double-doubles in that run, and was within two rebounds of a fifth. Overall he started eight games during the season and averaged 14.75 points and 10.1 rebounds – production that would make him a well-paid starter in a lot of places.
    hmmm
    Looked up his game logs. Guess how many minutes he averaged during that span? 27.2

    He doesn't have to start. But if we give him around 30 minutes a game, like in your projected rotation above, I think that's where we'll get the most production out of him.
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