People are a lot more aggressive lately with their posts. I think it's time for people to calm down and debate in a civilized manner. Respect your fellow fan, and debate with intelligence not vulgarities. Raptors Republic needs to clean it up a bit.
Amir Johnson is probably Dwane Casey's favourite player. Add the fact that Amir is probably the Raptors best low post defender. Chances of Hansbrough starting for this team is pretty much close to zero.
I'm a huge fan of Hansbrough though. Been a fan since his UNC days. I believe he's much better suited as a 6th man off the bench.
"Analytics DON'T work at all. It's some crap that people that are really smart made up to get in the game. Bunch of smart guys who have never played. The NBA is about TALENT" - Charles Barkley #Truth
As for anointing a starter, that's what just about every single member of the republic has already done. Hence I'm raising the question about if Hansbrough should maybe have a say in that. Some people say Amir deserves it. I say I don't care. If Amir starting helps us win more, great, do it. If starting Hansbrough helps us win more games, great! When it comes to a starting lineup though, I only care about results. I don't care if someone is a nice guy, or worked hard for it, or deserves it. If Amir kicks Hansbroughs ass in training camp so be it. If anything I'm attempting to un-anoint the already assumed to be starter
Hansbrough 16.3 = Win
Hansbrough 4.0 = Win
Amir 1.7 = win (barely)
Amir 2.0 = win
Steals = TIE
Amir 1.5 = win
Its the recent influx of dummies we've had. Happens every year no biggie
More than usual! Although I enjoy reading 99% P00ka's posts. So, I'm not singling him out. In recent weeks I've just seen more bashing than usual.
I agree Amir, has earned the starting spot, I think he is an underrated player and he has really upped his game the last few years. Especially after the Davis trade. Although, If Tyler out plays him in training camp T should be starting. In all honesty I hope this happens, $3M PF that outplays Amir is fine by me!
Last edited by saints91; Tue Jul 16th, 2013 at 12:06 AM.
Pooka we are essentially saying pretty damn close to the same thing. About earning it over deserving it. I was more responding to the sentiment that Amir Johnson works hard and deserves it that permeates a lot of the discussions and that was raised by a couple people in this thread about him working hard, and loyalty etc...
Another fun stat.
Amir has attempted 688 free throws in 8 seasons
Hansbrough has attempted 944 free throws in 4 seasons (1 of which he was injured for most of)
I think there is a lot of value to getting the Wests, Hibberts, Horfords, and Millsaps of the world into early foul trouble.
I actually don't care who start either but either way TH will automatically have at least 10 mins more a game than he did in Indianna. I don't think Jonas will playe 35+ mins a game. I see home right around 30 minutes a game, same with Amir. Remember Novak will have minute at the 3 and 4.
Damn! If you won't decide between Amir and Tyler, I'll be forced to tell D.C. to start Steve Novak! lol
(Sorry for poor English )
For me the argument isn't whose the better player, it's what line ups are going to give us the best chance of success. Sometimes your most talented 5 isn't your starting 5.
I'm a huge Amir homer, and it's difficult for me to get past that, although I'm trying. I will say this, though, based on Amir's play the last year he has earned the starter's spot. Doesn't mean, that Tyler can't take it away from him, or that Casey can't decide that the team is better bringing Amir off the bench (even if he is the better player), but the starter's spot is Amir's to lose. It's not about "anointing" him, it's about recognizing his talent and production. Which is pretty descent. Although he's close, I personally I think Amir has yet to reach his ceiling. He's only logged 9022 minutes so he's got about 30 games at 30 minutes before he hits the magic 10,000. I think that ceiling is a legitimate starter in this league.
I have no problem with them Tyler and Amir fighting it out for the starters job, but Tyler has to beat Amir, not the other way around. I don't care about who starts, or even who the better player is. I care about using the line ups effectively to give us the best odds of winning.
Personally, I think Hansbrough makes more sense coming off the bench based on his aggressiveness and his ability to energize.
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Amir should start next to JV. He has the better jumper from the high post and will help space better for JV down low. Psycho-T should slide into the 4 spot off the bench and have Amir slide to the 5 while JV rests. Either way we have 3 high motor bigs who should be able to keep plays alive. We should get more offensive rebounds this season, which is necessary for our high volume low efficiency wing scorers.
When JV checks back in, I do worry about how well he and Hansborough will play together. Both are board bangers but will they get in each others space too much? They are smart guys and will likely figure it out, but if I'm the coaching staff that is my biggest worry down low. JV's development on the block is paramount to our team's success in the future.
with tyler starting we give up defence, but increase the chances of early foul trouble on the other team which could give us a lot of momentum
amir is productive either way but I think it matters how much val has improved on d/ tylers ability to hit the jumper to space the floor
Is anyone else more than a little concerned that some of the crap he got away with in Indy was because of Indy's reputation(toughness)? and that in a raptors jersey the refs are going to strangle him with the whistle?(metaphorically of course.)
Although watching dick bavetta turn his whistle into a make-shift garotte, would be hilarious...
I hope Tyler's energy and peskiness rubs off on JV, so he can learn how to be a scumbag too.
Yes! I am a UNC grad and fan of UNC men's basketball and women's soccer. (The Lady Tar Heels are once again defending NCAA champs). If Tyler starts, you will be amazed at how many ways--big and little--he influences the game. He will be a positive force on the court because he never gives up. There is a reason he is still the ACC all-time scoring leader and won a national championship. Tyler is one reason among many that the Pacers went to the Eastern Conference Finals last season.
Based on past numbers, Hansbrough could average 16 points and 8 rebounds as a starter. Last season with the Pacers, he had to improve his rebounding, which he did. Now he has to improve his jump shot, which he mentioned in an interview. At UNC, he shot from close to the chest, but now shoots from over his head on the jumper, so it still needs more work, and more importantly, the confidence to shoot it. Also, he can run the fast break. For the last two years I watched him run down the floor on the break, only to fail to have the ball passed to him by the Pacers' point guards. I bet Kyle Lowry will learn to do that in the first month.
Because he is so aggressive under the basket, expect him to get blocked about once per game. Also, he is a streak shooter, so the more touches he gets, the more efficient he becomes. It's really important for the guards to get him the ball in rhythm.
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