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    F the Leafs really. They and their fans have had and continue to have a sense of entitlement in this town for a hundred years. One just have to tune in to the radio and tv stations to understand there is an industry built around them to the exclusion of all other sports. I just heard today that the fast growing sport among kids today is basketball with soccer next and then hockey. Nothing against hockey but god they spew it 24/7 in this town and treat that clown Cherry as an intellectual.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    F the Leafs really. They and their fans have had and continue to have a sense of entitlement in this town for a hundred years. One just have to tune in to the radio and tv stations to understand there is an industry built around them to the exclusion of all other sports. I just heard today that the fast growing sport among kids today is basketball with soccer next and then hockey. Nothing against hockey but god they spew it 24/7 in this town and treat that clown Cherry as an intellectual.

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    Ya, I got sick of the leafs a long time ago. Don't care about them.

    I don't care nearly as much about the raptors as I used to.

    The new ownership seems to want to turn over a new leaf, which is good
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    Sorry TL & MU, it's not your fault, but I simply cannot get excited by off-season talk coming from suits. Your predecessors have put you in a really tough spot to win back my confidence, which can only be done with action not words, no matter how epic the sound byte may be.

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    Does nobody understand what it takes to win in the NBA? This "slow build", this and that, it's all fine and dandy. You need a top 10 player in the NBA, and then you need a top 20 support player and top 30 support-support player. Or in rare cases like the early 90's Pistons and 2000's Pistons, in which case they had no top 10 player but teams of all stars. The Raptors are a LONG way from that. Rudy Gay would be a good 3rd option, Valanciunas will probably develop into a good 3rd option, but we have zero true franchise guys and unless we draft one, we ain't getting it either.

    Remember the last time we came close to the final four? We drafted a "near" franchise player, then he bolted. Bosh was, as we all now see, a good #3 option. In other words, sadly, the draft is our only hope.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Does nobody understand what it takes to win in the NBA? This "slow build", this and that, it's all fine and dandy. You need a top 10 player in the NBA, and then you need a top 20 support player and top 30 support-support player. Or in rare cases like the early 90's Pistons and 2000's Pistons, in which case they had no top 10 player but teams of all stars. The Raptors are a LONG way from that. Rudy Gay would be a good 3rd option, Valanciunas will probably develop into a good 3rd option, but we have zero true franchise guys and unless we draft one, we ain't getting it either.

    Remember the last time we came close to the final four? We drafted a "near" franchise player, then he bolted. Bosh was, as we all now see, a good #3 option. In other words, sadly, the draft is our only hope.
    We should get a franchise player like Keon Clark

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    We should get a franchise player like Keon Clark
    Or just be a fan with blinders, and keep talking about Derozan practicing his 3's and the "development" of Terrence Ross.

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    Val has All-Star potential (Think Roy Hibbert made it, Val has a better potential)
    Rudy Gay is border line All-Star
    Demar is top 10 SG
    Lowry has top 15 PG skills
    Amir is Amir

    The lineup is top 5 lineup last year and is very young with not a single one in their primes as of yet.
    It needs support, not a makeover.
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Or just be a fan with blinders, and keep talking about Derozan practicing his 3's and the "development" of Terrence Ross.
    or just be a negative fan who views the entire team as scrubs

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    I still say we are one all-star/ borderline allstar PF away from being a contender. We have the assets, go get one. I think we were a 8th seed last year, had we traded for Rudy prior to the start of last season. We are probably an 7-6th seed now, and with one more piece, we are top 4. With the youth this team has, we can be relevant (1-4 in the East) for 5-10 years

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    Quote saints91 wrote: View Post
    I still say we are one all-star/ borderline allstar PF away from being a contender. We have the assets, go get one. I think we were a 8th seed last year, had we traded for Rudy prior to the start of last season. We are probably an 7-6th seed now, and with one more piece, we are top 4. With the youth this team has, we can be relevant (1-4 in the East) for 5-10 years
    But how do you go from division champion, to NBA champion? Because once we achieved finishing 3rd or 4th year in year out, it won't be enough. Right now in the NBA, maybe 2 or 3 teams have a shot at the title, and without injury, Miami has probably a better than 60% chance of winning. Which is to say, you can be so close, yet so far in this league.

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    I'm not saying it's going to be this year or next, but this team is young and can still get better. Even if they don't win a championship, it's still better to be a fan of a team that is mentioned in the race. If they had a finals appearance or constantly played in the Conference Finals it still creates an identity of winning and being competitive. To constantly rebuild, and putting your faith in drafting a franchise player could be devastating for this franchise. I'm sick of rebuilding. We have good players, and assets, let's make a run.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    After reading that article, Casey has a clean slate with me.

    Sounds like he is a good soldier and giving another example of solid character not taking the hatchet to Colangelo - especially when he probably has just cause/reason.

    I'm all for putting defense first but hopefully the offense consists more of, "DeMar, your turn" & "Rudy, your up."
    can I please assume you meant to say "than"?

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    The best we can ever hope for is a second round exit. Lebron isn't going to retire any time soon.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    After reading that article, Casey has a clean slate with me.

    Sounds like he is a good soldier and giving another example of solid character not taking the hatchet to Colangelo - especially when he probably has just cause/reason.

    I'm all for putting defense first but hopefully the offense consists more of, "DeMar, your turn" & "Rudy, your up."
    thats why the hired nick nurse

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    or just be a negative fan who views the entire team as scrubs
    Can you blame him? The team is scrubs..I realize you're a die hard. But, look at it from a casual POV.

    You've got Gay

    Posssibly, Ross and Derozan for their participation in the dunk contest.

    Everybody else is no name(including Valanciunas)
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    so does this mean we are tanking this year for sure ?

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    But Parker, Gordon, Randle, Harrison 1, Harrison 2, Exum, Selden, Smart, Exum, Hairston, and Micic, to name a few, are all exciting prospects as well.

    #MultiplePicks
    The first 4 you named plus wiggins and smart are the elite 6. Gordon is Griffin 2.0 I'd go 0-82 for the guy

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    TL - "Hi I'm Tim Leiweke, and these are my balls." *unzips his fly, takes out his testicles, and rests them on your desk*
    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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