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    Exactly. It's finding the right balance. So, you can't just rely on one thing like the draft. You can't just blow up the whole thing for the chance you get the number one pick and that will fix everything..
    But the thing you're overlooking is that EVERY one of the teams that won a championship (other than the last Pistons) won with one of their superstars being drafted. Wade, Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, Hakeem, Jordan, Isiah, Bird, Magic.

    I'd guess that every one of the teams they faced in the finals also had at least one superstar they drafted as well.

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    It's the goal, yes. But it's not the bar for success.

    The Pacers are a success. The Thunder are a success. The Clippers are a success. But only the Heat are champions this year.
    I know that. But, posters on here seem to think that..they seem to think that we have to blow everything up and stArt over because this isn't a championship team..
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    But the thing you're overlooking is that EVERY one of the teams that won a championship (other than the last Pistons) won with one of their superstars being drafted. Wade, Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, Hakeem, Jordan, Isiah, Bird, Magic.

    I'd guess that every one of the teams they faced in the finals also had at least one superstar they drafted as well.
    Only one I can think of who did not was 93 suns who traded for Barkley

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Exactly. It's finding the right balance. So, you can't just rely on one thing like the draft. You can't just blow up the whole thing for the chance you get the number one pick and that will fix everything..
    Lol way to shift the goal posts.

    Like you said, there are stupid answers.........

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    Exactly. It's finding the right balance. So, you can't just rely on one thing like the draft. You can't just blow up the whole thing for the chance you get the number one pick and that will fix everything..
    no one here ACTUALLY thinks that magically drafting wiggins will win you an automatic championship. its the people who don't know how to argue that try to *presume* thats all pro-tankers think about because its such an easy/simplistic/naive idea to discredit.

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    I blame him for the Raptors shitty performance in the 7 years he was here. I blame him for the recent flooding in Toronto and the disappearance of the infamous Rob Ford crack video. There, I said it.
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    Lol way to shift the goal posts.

    Like you said, there are stupid answers.........
    My entire point was the post you quoted. But, sometimes you have to play the opposite to get your point across.
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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    no one here ACTUALLY thinks that magically drafting wiggins will win you an automatic championship. its the people who don't know how to argue that try to *presume* thats all pro-tankers think about because its such an easy/simplistic/naive idea to discredit.
    That's all pro-tankers talk about..only know what you tell us..
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    To tank or not to tank, that is the question,
    Whether it is nobler for a GM
    to suffer the boos and loses hoping for outrageous fortune
    or stay the course on a sea of mediocrity


    Seriously, we might as well created an "Everything Tank" thread and just merge every thread into it. This is getting effing ridiculous.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    To tank or not to tank, that is the question,
    Whether it is nobler for a GM
    to suffer the boos and loses hoping for outrageous fortune
    or stay the course on a sea of mediocrity


    Seriously, we might as well created an "Everything Tank" thread and just merge every thread into it. This is getting effing ridiculous.
    Oh, Apollo..where you at?
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    yes we are. can I close this thread now?
    thead> Thanks for reminding us of your super moderator closing powers...but keep in mind this is the off season and there aren't many discussions to read on the raps. Doesn't really encourage people to post their thoughts does it?

    LBF> Thanks for creating a thread that gave me something to read for the last 10 minutes.

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    Quote chrischris wrote: View Post
    thead> Thanks for reminding us of your super moderator closing powers...but keep in mind this is the off season and there aren't many discussions to read on the raps. Doesn't really encourage people to post their thoughts does it?

    LBF> Thanks for creating a thread that gave me something to read for the last 10 minutes.
    chilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllll it was a joke. Something I do quite often here. You will get used to it...or be banned :P

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    Quote chrischris wrote: View Post
    thead> Thanks for reminding us of your super moderator closing powers...but keep in mind this is the off season and there aren't many discussions to read on the raps. Doesn't really encourage people to post their thoughts does it?

    LBF> Thanks for creating a thread that gave me something to read for the last 10 minutes.
    Ya, sure man. Not sure if that's sarcasm or not. I don't think so..but, maybe?

    Regardless, I just sometimes like to stir the pot a bit. Put a different opinion out there than the consensus..
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    That's all pro-tankers talk about..only know what you tell us..
    Disagree. If you read the number of actual posts that support a massive overhaul (the ones with ideas and rationale and not just "tank for wiggins") you'll see that most people in favour of the major rebuild don't ever mention Wiggins but rather want a high pick in a loaded draft class. There are lots of picks that would make "tanking" in 2014 worth it.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Disagree. If you read the number of actual posts that support a massive overhaul (the ones with ideas and rationale and not just "tank for wiggins") you'll see that most people in favour of the major rebuild don't ever mention Wiggins but rather want a high pick in a loaded draft class. There are lots of picks that would make "tanking" in 2014 worth it.
    Yup.

    NoBan tainted the discussion with his original post in the Rebuild or ReTool thread.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Yup.

    NoBan tainted the discussion with his original post in the Rebuild or ReTool thread.
    Which is funny because he has a disclaimer at the top saying "This isn't a Wiggins thread" lol.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    Disagree. If you read the number of actual posts that support a massive overhaul (the ones with ideas and rationale and not just "tank for wiggins") you'll see that most people in favour of the major rebuild don't ever mention Wiggins but rather want a high pick in a loaded draft class. There are lots of picks that would make "tanking" in 2014 worth it.
    I meant you don't talk past the 2014 draft..
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    Colangelo was a mixed bag. Yeah he made mistakes, some big ones (Jermaine O'Neal and Hedo anyone?), and he's overspent on players. But I would rather have a GM that has the stones to roll the dice once and a while than the alternative. He's made some good decisions too though, let's not forget. I like Demar, and think he's developing a nice all-around game (except on defense FFS!), and the guy showed the vision and patience to sign Valanciunas. I'm still on the fence about Rudy though (aka his Gayness). Way overpaid, but the dude can hit a big shot when we need it.
    All in all, I'd give Colangelo a C.

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    Nice breakdown. I don't think you can give him lower than a C. Since he put together the only raptor team to win the Atlantic Division. We almost won 50 games that year, which was a big deal.

    Unfortunately, the O'Neal trade was his downfall. I'll give him credit for turning O'Neal into Marion. But, then what was he thinking not giving Marion 50 mil, but giving it to Turk? Marion was the best fit out of all 3..
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