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    The draft ain't the most trustworthy method, as proven in the past.
    Maybe not, but having flexibility and assets is.

    We also could've flipped DeRozan, the 8th pick and the 2013 1st to OKC for Harden (basically a mirror of the Houston trade).

    Lots of options when you stockpile assets and maintain flexibility. Colangelo has a pretty good track-record in the draft anyway, if he didnt consistently mortgage our future he could've built a nice team.

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    I knew you were going to say that. LEtme ask then, if you think he's incompetent? Wnat's your opinion on him?



    The draft ain't the most trustworthy method, as proven in the past.
    no one has ever said the draft was a 100% way to win. but clearly its where contending teams tend to find their winners when properly built around them.

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    BC showed all the classic signs of a gambler. After a few misses, he tried to dig himself out with high-risk / high-reward moves. None of them really worked out. Besides that, he was too stubborn to give up on Bargnani after his rookie contract even though it was painfully obvious that he would never rebound, fight through contact to get to the line or understand defensive rotations. There was also excessive player turnover every year to the detriment of team chemistry.

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    no one has ever said the draft was a 100% way to win. but clearly its where contending teams tend to find their winners when properly built around them.
    And how many championship teams of the last ten years have won with their starting five drafted players?

    San Antonio is one. Name others
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    I knew you were going to say that. LEtme ask then, if you think he's incompetent? Wnat's your opinion on him?
    He's educated. He was raised up in the business and he knows the business.

    The basketball system he prefers has been proven to not produce true contenders.

    In Toronto he stuck to this flawed approach for his first contract and changed a little on the extension, probably due to pressures of job security. The shift in focus did not serve the team well because he did not make the right roster changes.

    He's guilty of asking his coach to adapt to the roster instead of giving his coach the players which fit the coach's comfort zone. Colangelo controls who is the coach and so there is no excuse for this.

    If this were all taking place in some sort of Shakespearean alter-universe we could probably call him a tragic hero.

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    And how many championship teams of the last ten years have won with their starting five drafted players?

    San Antonio is one. Name others
    you realize in the last 10 years the spurs won THREE times right.
    celtics?
    the heat twice who drafted dwayne wade?

    so 5 of the 10 champions had drafted players. sounds like pretty good odds to me.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    you realize in the last 10 years the spurs won THREE times right.
    celtics?
    the heat twice who drafted dwayne wade?

    so 5 of the 10 champions had drafted players. sounds like pretty good odds to me.
    Re-read his question. It was how many team won a championship with their STARTING FIVE drafted
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Re-read his question. It was how many team won a championship with their STARTING FIVE drafted
    what kind of moronic and obviously biased question is that?

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    you realize in the last 10 years the spurs won THREE times right.
    celtics?
    the heat twice who drafted dwayne wade?

    so 5 of the 10 champions had drafted players. sounds like pretty good odds to me.
    The heat have won 3 times. They may have had more players they drafted in '06.

    The Spurs are the spurs.

    I actually asked how many who all starting five were drafted and remained their from the beginning to the year they won a championship..
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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    what kind of moronic and obviously biased question is that?
    He asked it. I was just clarifying
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    The Heat won in 2006 because of Shaq. Take Shaq out of the equation and insert anybody else and that team does not win it.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The Heat won in 2006 because of Shaq. Take Shaq out of the equation and insert anybody else and that team does not win it.
    Correctumundo
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    The heat have won 3 times. They may have had more players they drafted in '06.

    The Spurs are the spurs.

    I actually asked how many who all starting five were drafted and remained their from the beginning to the year they won a championship..
    sorry but thats a really fucking stupid question to ask. were you expecting the lack of teams being the answer as some sort of justification for not taking the draft as a serious source of talent or something?

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    sorry but thats a really fucking stupid question to ask.
    No such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers
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    And how many championship teams of the last ten years have won with their starting five drafted players?

    San Antonio is one. Name others
    That's a ridiculous extreme that you're asking for, it's such an anomaly for any championship team to have all their starters drafted since the late 80's on.

    In the NBA as has been proven time and again your superstars are the most vital to your success, so start looking at teams that drafted their superstars. As well looking at only champions in the NBA is flawed because the NBA is all about dynasties, in fact the person you replied to even used the word "contenders" not "champions" because it's more appropriate.

    If you only looked at champions in the 90's you'd have to come to the conclusion that everyone other than the Bulls and Rockets did it wrong.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    No such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers
    seriously, it was a really stupid question. i expect higher quality posts around here than that.

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    And how many championship teams of the last ten years have won with their starting five drafted players?

    San Antonio is one. Name others

    Name one team that won with their starting five players being signed as free agents

    Name one team that won with their starting fiver players being traded for

    Just goes to show how unreliable everything is.

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    That's a ridiculous extreme that you're asking for, it's such an anomaly for any championship team to have all their starters drafted since the late 80's on.

    In the NBA as has been proven time and again your superstars are the most vital to your success, so start looking at teams that drafted their superstars. As well looking at only champions in the NBA is flawed because the NBA is all about dynasties, in fact the person you replied to even used the word "contenders" not "champions" because it's more appropriate.

    If you only looked at champions in the 90's you'd have to come to the conclusion that everyone other than the Bulls and Rockets did it wrong.
    But, that's the goal isn't it? To win a championship? That's why Colangelo was fired..that's why all the previous guts were fired. They did it wrong.
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    Name one team that won with their starting five players being signed as free agents

    Name one team that won with their starting fiver players being traded for

    Just goes to show how unreliable everything is.
    Exactly. It's finding the right balance. So, you can't just rely on one thing like the draft. You can't just blow up the whole thing for the chance you get the number one pick and that will fix everything..
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    But, that's the goal isn't it? To win a championship? That's why Colangelo was fired..that's why all the previous guts were fired. They did it wrong.
    It's the goal, yes. But it's not the bar for success.

    The Pacers are a success. The Thunder are a success. The Clippers are a success. But only the Heat are champions this year.

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