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    Default Raptors - a playoff team in 2013-14?

    Lowry/DD/Gay/Amir/JV/Hansborough/Ross/Fields/Gray/Novak

    Does this roster still seem that its not a playoff-bound roster???

    Seems like it is.

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    Sarcasm right?

    but then again Fields is still here so I see your point some what.

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    assuming all things are equal.

    I see the playoffs as a 50/50 proposition. A month ago I would have said differently.

    Aside from the main 5 (Miami, Indy, Chi, NY, Brooklyn) - Clelveland, Washington, Detroit, Toronto all have a legit chance. Milwaukee and Atlanta are there to.

    I pretty much only put Boston and Philly as sure things to not be playoff bound.

    I don't think Orlando and Charlotte stand much of a chance.

    Alot can happen one way or another though.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Sarcasm right?

    but then again Fields is still here so I see your point some what.
    Not really.

    Why do you think its not a playoff team?

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Lowry/DD/Gay/Amir/JV/Hansborough/Ross/Fields/Gray/Novak

    Does this roster still seem that its not a playoff-bound roster???

    Seems like it is.
    Are you being for real? Last year we missed the playoffs by a few games. And that's with a shitty 4-19 start. We got a better players than we did last year. Casey should actually be coaching smarter without hopefully the bonehead subs he made last year in the forth quarters. Why would you think we will not make the playoffs? So much changed with other teams. We still have our main 4 starters. 5 if Amir starts over Novac. I don't get it. Please explain your concerns to me?

    Being serious here!

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    lowry's in a contract year, he'll take a dump on everyone.
    dd/gay will tear it up on the wings and play defence
    amir/hansborough/jv have a frontline that should scare people
    people already thinking jv might have a shot at the all star team this year, with the way he's destroying competition in the summer league. i know its summer league, but if thats any indication to anything, he's gonna have a solid year.

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    Lowry/DD/Gay/Amir/JV/Hansborough/Ross/Fields/Gray/Novak

    Does this roster still seem that its not a playoff-bound roster???

    Seems like it is.
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    throw in landry fields' wife: game over.
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    assuming all things are equal.

    I see the playoffs as a 50/50 proposition. A month ago I would have said differently.

    Aside from the main 5 (Miami, Indy, Chi, NY, Brooklyn) - Clelveland, Washington, Detroit, Toronto all have a legit chance. Milwaukee and Atlanta are there to.

    I pretty much only put Boston and Philly as sure things to not be playoff bound.

    I don't think Orlando and Charlotte stand much of a chance.

    Alot can happen one way or another though.
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    8. Washington

    Raptors WILL BE in the playoffs next season. Guaranteed. Right now i have them finishing 7th. But i really wouldn't be surprised to see them finish 6th or even 5th. Why? because Raptors have a lot of talent. They now have a legit go to guy in Gay. Jonas is a MUCH improved player. They've addressed their 3pt shooting needs with the Novak trade. The bench is also much better with the addition of Augustin and Hansbrough and Buycks.

    The team that i see slipping down next season is the Knicks.
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    Quote Protocall wrote: View Post
    lowry's in a contract year, he'll take a dump on everyone.
    no one will give you money in your FA year if you play like shit the year before

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you being for real? Last year we missed the playoffs by a few games. And that's with a shitty 4-19 start. We got a better players than we did last year. Casey should actually be coaching smarter without hopefully the bonehead subs he made last year in the forth quarters. Why would you think we will not make the playoffs? So much changed with other teams. We still have our main 4 starters. 5 if Amir starts over Novac. I don't get it. Please explain your concerns to me?

    Being serious here!
    Your main points make it seem as though Toronto exists in a vacuum and no other teams made any improvements and/or changes in the offseason.

    PLAYOFF SURE THINGS: TOP 4 SEEDS
    Miami - 2 time NBA champions, just as good
    Indiana - conference finalists, minor moves to improve their team
    Chicago - playoff team, Rose coming back fully healthy, bench improved
    Brooklyn - playoff team, major moves significantly improved their team

    PLAYOFF BUBBLE TEAMS: #5-12 SEEDS
    NY - playoff team, should be just as good at least, improved if less injuries than last season
    Atlanta - playoff team, good plan-B retooling, need time to gel, could even be better than last season
    Milwaukee - playoff team, lots of retooling, should still be on the bubble
    Boston - playoff team, taking a step back (tanking if Rondo is out for long and/or traded), still have some decent players
    Cleveland - Irving is a stud, loaded with young talent, Varejao should be healthy, looking to land even more proven talent
    Washington - were a solid team when Wall was healthy, young players have more experience and even more talent was added
    Toronto - Gay in for full season, improved depth, lots of young talent, loss of Calderon/Bargnani improves team defense
    Detroit - dominant front court, some good young talent

    LOTTERY TEAMS: #13-15 SEEDS
    Charlotte - say they want to compete and signed an aging Jefferson, but still likely on the outside looking in
    Orlando - doing a proper rebuild from the ground up, some good young talent, still a year or two away from competing
    Philly - nice tank job

    * within each grouping, I did not list teams in any specific order


    I can't see how any fan can consider the playoffs a 'sure thing' for the Raptors this season. The first half will be very interesting to watch, to determine whether MU looks to retooling (push for playoffs now, with future still at the forefront of team building) or tanking (goodbye 2013-14 season, hello 2014 draft & offseason).
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    I think they're not. Hope I'm wrong.

    There's basically two spots that are up for grabs. We know Heat, Pacers, Nets, Knicks, and Bulls will be there. I think the Hawks will finish in 6th. People always forget about the Hawks.

    That leaves Cleveland (who added Jack, Clark, and a healthy Varejao), Detroit who added Josh Smith, Washington played almost 500 ball for the last half of the season, and depending on what the Bucks (who signed Mayo, Ridnour, and Zaza) do with Jennings they could still be there for the 8th.

    My point is it's by no means guaranteed. And I don't think the Raps will do it.
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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    I think they're not. Hope I'm wrong.

    There's basically two spots that are up for grabs. We know Heat, Pacers, Nets, Knicks, and Bulls will be there. I think the Hawks will finish in 6th. People always forget about the Hawks.

    That leaves Cleveland (who added Jack, Clark, and a healthy Varejao), Detroit who added Josh Smith, Washington played almost 500 ball for the last half of the season, and depending on what the Bucks (who signed Mayo, Ridnour, and Zaza) do with Jennings they could still be there for the 8th.

    My point is it's by no means guaranteed. And I don't think the Raps will do it.
    I agree. Too many people are acting like it's a sure thing when it's far from that.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you being for real? Last year we missed the playoffs by a few games. And that's with a shitty 4-19 start. We got a better players than we did last year. Casey should actually be coaching smarter without hopefully the bonehead subs he made last year in the forth quarters. Why would you think we will not make the playoffs? So much changed with other teams. We still have our main 4 starters. 5 if Amir starts over Novac. I don't get it. Please explain your concerns to me?

    Being serious here!
    raps have gotten marginally better. some of the other lower teams have gotten better on a higher level.

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    no one will give you money in your FA year if you play like shit the year before
    I believe what Protocall meant is that Lowry will play his balls off this year. Shitting on all his competition.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you being for real? Last year we missed the playoffs by a few games. And that's with a shitty 4-19 start. We got a better players than we did last year. Casey should actually be coaching smarter without hopefully the bonehead subs he made last year in the forth quarters. Why would you think we will not make the playoffs? So much changed with other teams. We still have our main 4 starters. 5 if Amir starts over Novac. I don't get it. Please explain your concerns to me?

    Being serious here!
    hehehe i think you misunderstood my post. I am in agreement that the Raptors does have a chance to make the playoffs this season.

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    I'm not saying they will because I've learned to set myself up for the least disappointment with this team. However, they definitely should make the playoffs this year. With an improved JV, and that's an assumption (but realistically how could he not be improved), and the loss of Bargs this team should make the playoffs. With the additions of Hansborough, Novak, and Augustin to help the bench, then in my mind there is absolutely no excuse for not making the playoffs. None of additions can be considered great, but combined it should help the bench enough to be consistently effective night in and night out. Our starters are pretty good, and if they can play D and gain some chemistry, then this team can compete for a middle of the pack playoff position, well, 5 at best.

    If they don't, well, my opinion is there are some serious issues with the coaching staff and upper management. There is enough talent and skill on the floor to produce something worth cheering for. If they can't get that out of these guys then its not much odds about em!!

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    You're main points make it seem as though Toronto exists in a vacuum and no other teams made any improvements and/or changes in the offseason.

    PLAYOFF SURE THINGS: TOP 4 SEEDS
    Miami - 2 time NBA champions, just as good
    Indiana - conference finalists, minor moves to improve their team
    Chicago - playoff team, Rose coming back fully healthy, bench improved
    Brooklyn - playoff team, major moves significantly improved their team

    PLAYOFF BUBBLE TEAMS: #5-12 SEEDS
    NY - playoff team, should be just as good at least, improved if less injuries than last season
    Atlanta - playoff team, good plan-B retooling, need time to gel, could even be better than last season
    Milwaukee - playoff team, lots of retooling, should still be on the bubble
    Boston - playoff team, taking a step back (tanking if Rondo is out for long and/or traded), still have some decent players
    Cleveland - Irving is a stud, loaded with young talent, Varejao should be healthy, looking to land even more proven talent
    Washington - were a solid team when Wall was healthy, young players have more experience and even more talent was added
    Toronto - Gay in for full season, improved depth, lots of young talent, loss of Calderon/Bargnani improves team defense
    Detroit - dominant front court, some good young talent

    LOTTERY TEAMS: #13-15 SEEDS
    Charlotte - say they want to compete and signed an aging Jefferson, but still likely on the outside looking in
    Orlando - doing a proper rebuild from the ground up, some good young talent, still a year or two away from competing
    Philly - nice tank job


    I can't see how any fan can consider the playoffs a 'sure thing' for the Raptors this season. The first half will be very interesting to watch, to determine whether MU looks to retooling (push for playoffs now, with future still at the forefront of team building) or tanking (goodbye 2013-14 season, hello 2014 draft & offseason).
    Well I asked for someone to please explain and you have done the best possible job. Thank you very much. I did not forget about the moves other teams made, however, I can say that some of the teams you mentioned, IE: Bucks, Knicks, Detroit, Atlanta & even Boston will have to fight hard to make it in my opinion.

    I was taking into consideration that our team basically remained the same for the first time in how many years? I think since forever? The starting lineup at least. There is consistency there for the first time in a long time. But I do get your points. nothing is guaranteed in sports. So I will say this in my opinion only! "Raptors are in the best position they have ever been to make the playoffs since winning the Division many moons back!"

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Not really.

    Why do you think its not a playoff team?
    O sorry I misread you I thought you said it doesnt look like a playoff team.

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    I can see this team finishing anywhere from 7th to 11th. Valanciunas needs to be awesome. They need a bunch of career years from guys like Gay and Derozn and Lowry. I don't think it will take much for this to go off the rails.

    On the positive side, I suspect we're going to have a really good idea about this team relatively quickly (within 15 games or so). There hasn't been much turnover, the starters all return intact, and the additions are all limited role players.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Well I asked for someone to please explain and you have done the best possible job. Thank you very much. I did not forget about the moves other teams made, however, I can say that some of the teams you mentioned, IE: Bucks, Knicks, Detroit, Atlanta & even Boston will have to fight hard to make it in my opinion.
    I don't think Boston has a shot even if they don't trade Rondo, unless Kelly Olynyk actually makes a serious rookie-of-the-year bid. And the Bucks are going to be a desperate grind-out-the-8th-seed team if they're anything.

    On the other hand, I think the Knicks and Atlanta are basically locks for the 5 and 6 seeds. The Knicks are still the Knicks: Carmelo, Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and even Amar'e are all top quality players, Metta is a good defensive grinder, and I don't think having Bargs will make them suck THAT much worse, certainly not enough to knock them out of the playoffs. Meanwhile, the Hawks had the single best signing of the offseason when they snagged Paul Millsap for a bargain price - he's effectively Josh Smith except better at almost everything for less money - and their rookies, Dennis Schroeder and Lucas Nogiera, are looking NBA-ready already (although they'll most likely only be bench this season). Plus they still have Horford, Williams, Korver and probably Teague. Atlanta will be at least as good this year as they were last year, maybe even a little better, and last year they were an easy playoff team.

    That leaves Toronto grinding it out with Detroit, Washington, Cleveland and Milwaukee for those final two spots, and every one of those is a straight-up fight. Everybody talks correctly about how Detroit has lousy spacing, and they do, but Dumars is addressing that as best he can by signing some okay bench shooters, and one good trade for a shooter (and Detroit can move Brandon Knight or Greg Monroe to get that) and Detroit gets dangerous in a hurry. Cleveland's fortunes will favor in part on how well Bynum can come back, but if he comes back at even 50% Bynum the Cavs will be very tough. Plus they have a reasonably good bench now, full of rookies and overperformers like Jarrett Jack. And Washington was already good in the second half of last year.

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