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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    hehehe i think you misunderstood my post. I am in agreement that the Raptors does have a chance to make the playoffs this season.
    Yeah, I guess I did. Sorry about that. Because of it I got a written scolding from our mediator. lol Just kidding!

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Your main points make it seem as though Toronto exists in a vacuum and no other teams made any improvements and/or changes in the offseason.

    PLAYOFF SURE THINGS: TOP 4 SEEDS
    Miami - 2 time NBA champions, just as good
    Indiana - conference finalists, minor moves to improve their team
    Chicago - playoff team, Rose coming back fully healthy, bench improved
    Brooklyn - playoff team, major moves significantly improved their team

    PLAYOFF BUBBLE TEAMS: #5-12 SEEDS
    NY - playoff team, should be just as good at least, improved if less injuries than last season
    Atlanta - playoff team, good plan-B retooling, need time to gel, could even be better than last season
    Milwaukee - playoff team, lots of retooling, should still be on the bubble
    Boston - playoff team, taking a step back (tanking if Rondo is out for long and/or traded), still have some decent players
    Cleveland - Irving is a stud, loaded with young talent, Varejao should be healthy, looking to land even more proven talent
    Washington - were a solid team when Wall was healthy, young players have more experience and even more talent was added
    Toronto - Gay in for full season, improved depth, lots of young talent, loss of Calderon/Bargnani improves team defense
    Detroit - dominant front court, some good young talent

    LOTTERY TEAMS: #13-15 SEEDS
    Charlotte - say they want to compete and signed an aging Jefferson, but still likely on the outside looking in
    Orlando - doing a proper rebuild from the ground up, some good young talent, still a year or two away from competing
    Philly - nice tank job

    * within each grouping, I did not list teams in any specific order


    I can't see how any fan can consider the playoffs a 'sure thing' for the Raptors this season. The first half will be very interesting to watch, to determine whether MU looks to retooling (push for playoffs now, with future still at the forefront of team building) or tanking (goodbye 2013-14 season, hello 2014 draft & offseason).
    agreed. it always seems like some people don't pay attention to whats happening with the REST of the league and only pay attention to the raptors. we made some marginal improvements thats for sure. but other teams that were generally around the raptor-level of play have made much larger steps up in talent than we have now.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Well I asked for someone to please explain and you have done the best possible job. Thank you very much. I did not forget about the moves other teams made, however, I can say that some of the teams you mentioned, IE: Bucks, Knicks, Detroit, Atlanta & even Boston will have to fight hard to make it in my opinion.

    I was taking into consideration that our team basically remained the same for the first time in how many years? I think since forever? The starting lineup at least. There is consistency there for the first time in a long time. But I do get your points. nothing is guaranteed in sports. So I will say this in my opinion only! "Raptors are in the best position they have ever been to make the playoffs since winning the Division many moons back!"
    why would the knicks and atlanta have to fight that hard? atlanta have made the playoffs for the past what, 6 years? and they only got better for next year.

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    2013-2014 Season: Toronto >>>>> Cleveland. In my opinion Cleveland is nearer the Bobcats group than playoffs because of this:
    1) They are too young - only Irving and Varejao are really good at the moment, Waiters needs to be more consistent, Benett is a rookie (even LeBron didn't helped Cavs to win in his rookie season) J.Jack might have too much offensive pressure on him because of lack team's experience.
    2) Both Irving and Varejao are quite of injury phrones.
    3) Their bench is really worse than Toronto's
    4) If I need to guess, they likely trade Varejao before the trade deadline to clear space for their young Canadian duo, that would make their front line even weaker for the second half of the season.

    I'm considering Detroit and Washington as bigger threat to the Raptors, but with Valanciunas physical and game improvement and full season with Rudy we're better than they. Let's not forget our team chemistry - the current Raptors' core (Gay, DD, Lowry) spending lots of time together (had some workouts before summer league with Jonas and T-Ross).
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    Quote japetas wrote: View Post
    2013-2014 Season: Toronto >>>>> Cleveland. In my opinion Cleveland is nearer the Bobcats group than playoffs because of this:
    1) They are too young - only Irving and Varejao are really good at the moment, Waiters needs to be more consistent, Benett is a rookie (even LeBron didn't helped Cavs to win in his rookie season) J.Jack might have too much offensive pressure on him because of lack team's experience.
    2) Both Irving and Varejao are quite of injury phrones.
    3) Their bench is really worse than Toronto's
    4) If I need to guess, they likely trade Varejao before the trade deadline to clear space for their young Canadian duo, that would make their front line even weaker for the second half of the season.

    I'm considering Detroit and Washington as bigger threat to the Raptors, but with Valanciunas physical and game improvement and full season with Rudy we're better than they. Let's not forget our team chemistry - the current Raptors' core (Gay, DD, Lowry) spending lots of time together (had some workouts before summer league with Jonas and T-Ross).
    Disagree.

    Cavs should be good next year. The new coach will help them play D, which they were terrible at last year. Also, you forgot the huge x-factor, Bynum. That could change everything if he's even at 75% of what he was a couple years ago.

    Irving is better than any player the Raps have. And their bench is going to be nice. Jack, Bennett, Varejao/Bynum (depending on who starts), Zeller, and CJ Miles. That's pretty decent.
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    I liked CalgaryRapsFan's post minus Boston. I think they're done. Even if you look at them on paper and think they might squeak in, you have to understand that Ainge isn't messing around. If they start to so much as sniff the post-season, he'll make a move to push them back down again. Kind of.. well, kind of like what I'm hoping Ujiri will do.

    If he doesn't, we'll be a 7-11 team for the next few years.
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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    Disagree.

    Cavs should be good next year. The new coach will help them play D, which they were terrible at last year. Also, you forgot the huge x-factor, Bynum. That could change everything if he's even at 75% of what he was a couple years ago.

    Irving is better than any player the Raps have. And their bench is going to be nice. Jack, Bennett, Varejao/Bynum (depending on who starts), Zeller, and CJ Miles. That's pretty decent.
    Yeah, my bad... I totally forgot about Bynum But he shouldn't stay healthy for a long and if he does, he probably won't play back-to-backs (just my speculations). Still think that the Raptors gonna top Cleveland in the final standings
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    I think the playoffs are about 50-50 at the moment. The big question for me is how much of a jump JV makes. I think the raps go as far as JV takes them next year. The big problem I have is that I do not see any situation where they make it out of the first round. That is a HUGE problem for me. I want to WIN playoff series not just show up as a token opponent.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    I think the playoffs are about 50-50 at the moment. The big question for me is how much of a jump JV makes. I think the raps go as far as JV takes them next year.
    I'm a big JV fan and certainly his improvement (and I expect there will be a lot on his part) will help the team, but I don't think he's the lynchpin. I think Kyle's the lynchpin. Everybody on the team has a touch-heavy game and there are only so many touches to go around; you need a floor general to direct the team and Kyle has to show he can do that.

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    Toronto has a lot of positives entering this season:

    - No Bargnani
    - Kyle in a contract year
    - No PG controversy
    - JV's growth
    - Arguably better bench
    - not a lot of roster turnover
    - DeRozan's prime
    - Full season with Gay
    - Casey potentially playing Casey-ball

    But you can't look at that in a vacuum.

    I think Detroit and Washington will all be better than Toronto. Milwaukee will be difficult (they are always coached well, and Sanders/Henson are a very good defensive pair). Boston will most likely tumble but even then they have Rondo and some decent players that could thrive. Cleveland has the potential to be scary - although if I had to take a guess they'll end up back in the lottery (Mike Brown is a bad coach and Bynum will be a bust).

    The schedule though will play a big role in what happens to Toronto. It seems like Toronto always gets a sh!tty schedule to start the season, but that's what MU will be assessing. So despite the strength of their schedule, if they start of crappy (ie, below .500 after the first 20 games), I see MU pulling the plug on the season. Just a gut feeling.

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    Default Why the Toronto Raptors will make the Playoffs

    i really don't get why the raptors would miss the playoffs (unless they decide to tank which i'm not up for) last year we missed the playoffs by just a few games including a horrible start, multiple injuries, no calls at he end of games, and how could we forget the horrible six game road trip we took.
    here in etobicoke there's alot of Cleveland fans, surprisingly. and they are so damn confident that the cavs are making it into the post season. what do the cavs have that we don't (asides from an all star point guard and a canadian) sure they have bynum now, but im pretty confident going into the playoffs with a healthy jonas.

    now what we had last year was a Jose, half of an Andrea, two rookies who made a lot of mistakes, and rudy (with back problems) and we missed the playoffs, if we had done a bit more we would have made it. at that point i wouldnt care if it was a first round exit. (dying for some raptors playoff action)

    this year with a healthy Rudy Gay, a fit Kyle Lowry, a stronger Valaciunas, a novak, and a hansbrough (an i dont give a f who i'm playing against mentality) oh and how could we forget a derozan who is improving his three point shot and getting stronger. oh, and we got ourselves a dwight buycks
    so if cav fans are ready to make the playoffs then we have to think of our selves as contenders ..... im joking but theres no way we could have a healthy roster and not make it into the playoffs.
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    Quote lilmamba_ wrote: View Post
    theres no way we could have a healthy roster and not make it into the playoffs.
    Yes there is.

    Group 1 I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that these teams are lock for the playoffs as long as there aren't significant injuries.
    Miami
    Indiana
    Brooklyn
    New York
    Chicago

    Group 2
    Atlanta (most people put them in group 1, as I would, although I have seen people argue that they belong in the second group.)
    Milwaukee
    Detriot
    Cleveland
    Washington
    Toronto

    No matter how you slice it you've to six teams competing for 3 spots, or 5 teams competing for 2 spots. Toronto has to end the season ahead of 3 of those other 5 teams. If you look at the talent on those other teams they are pretty comparable to toronto. There isn't one team on that list that I can point at and say, "Toronto is definitely, absolutely, without a doubt, is going to finish ahead them." I think all the teams in group 2 have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised if Toronto makes it, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

    This has been covered in various other threads, so should probably be merged.
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    I love the "guarantee" that the Raptors will make the playoffs. I also love the reasoning that if the Raptors didn't suck so bad for big parts of last season that they would have been a much better team! No kidding. I don't think that's how it works.

    The reality is that Toronto is squarely in the middle of the Washington/Atlanta/Milwaukee/Detroit/Toronto/Cleveland group that will be jostling for the 5-8 seeds in the East. You can make a case as to why the Raptors will be one of the teams to emerge from the pack but you can also make a pretty good argument for every team. 3 of those teams are going to be disappointed come next May and being a fan of the Raptors doesn't make it any less likely that it could be them.

    I personally don't see Atlanta dropping very far, if at all, from their record last year and I think Detroit/Cleveland have moved ahead of us assuming they are relatively fortunate with injuries and chemistry. Dumars is also on record saying that he's still looking to add an impact player. We know Milwaukee will be motivated to slink into the playoffs as their owner mandates it every season and they were a better team than us last year. Just like us, the Wiz had their own surge in the back half of last year's season that they think they can extrapolate over a full 82. We aren't guaranteed to be better than any of these teams.

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    Go easy on her, she's 14

    Critical thinking skills are still in development at that age (at least it was for me....)
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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    I love the "guarantee" that the Raptors will make the playoffs. I also love the reasoning that if the Raptors didn't suck so bad for big parts of last season that they would have been a much better team! No kidding. I don't think that's how it works.

    The reality is that Toronto is squarely in the middle of the Washington/Atlanta/Milwaukee/Detroit/Toronto/Cleveland group that will be jostling for the 5-8 seeds in the East. You can make a case as to why the Raptors will be one of the teams to emerge from the pack but you can also make a pretty good argument for every team. 3 of those teams are going to be disappointed come next May and being a fan of the Raptors doesn't make it any less likely that it could be them.

    I personally don't see Atlanta dropping very far, if at all, from their record last year and I think Detroit/Cleveland have moved ahead of us assuming they are relatively fortunate with injuries and chemistry. Dumars is also on record saying that he's still looking to add an impact player. We know Milwaukee will be motivated to slink into the playoffs as their owner mandates it every season and they were a better team than us last year. Just like us, the Wiz had their own surge in the back half of last year's season that they think they can extrapolate over a full 82. We aren't guaranteed to be better than any of these teams.
    I have no problem with your general reasoning and this post overall. But considering you laugh at the "guarantee", and then claim to have knowledge of reality that has not yet come to pass, maybe you should choose your words more carefully. The reality is unknown. We have no clue where Toronto will finish. I mean, if Toronto finishes 3rd (not something I'd expect), does that mean we have shifted into another universe? It's not a reality you're arguing for, it's what you (and most including myself), believe is the most likely scenario. We could all be wrong and reality could turn out quite differently.

    My opinion of that middle bracket is that Atlanta and Milwaukee have taken steps back.
    -In the past 2 years, Atlanta has lost their 2 most talented players (JJ and Smith), and now their head coach. They have managed to maintain a decent talent level, but that's a lot of change. I can see them challenging and making it, but it will be tough for them, and Horford is going to have to have a career year.

    -Milwaukee has lost it's best scorer and replaced him with a guy who keeps being discarded, and now has an unhappy RFA point guard who already underachieved. Not a big OJ Mayo fan. Oh, and they also have a new coach. Ironically Atlanta's old one. I think Milwaukee ends up firmly at the bottom of this B group. If they make the playoffs, it's because someone like Henson or Antetokounmpo explodes.

    -Cleveland and Washington both have talent levels comparable or higher to the Raps. I see them as the biggest threats. I also see Cleveland, lacking quality vets, as a big wildcard. THey could finish with 25 wins, or with 50, and neither would surprise me. As for Washington, they have some decent vets and a rising backcourt. If they can stay healthy they should have a very good chance.

    -Detroit...I'm not sold on their moves. They added a guy who plays best at PF to a lineup where bigs were already their strongest positions. They have serious question marks on the wing, and at point, where they have to hope Knight takes a serious step forward over there, or Chauncey has a big comeback season as a 36(?) year old. I have a very hard time making a good team out of the roster....but they have a lot of talent up front, and if Monroe, Drummond and Smith can function together on the court successfully, they will win their share of games. Basically, in relation to other teams, I see Detroit having a comparable talent level to maybe Toronto and Washington, but a less balanced roster. I think Detroit has to overachieve a bit more because of that in order to squeak in.

    So I think Toronto, Washington, Cleveland and Detroit will battle for those last 3 playoff spots the hardest. If I had to choose the order of all 6 teams, it would be something like....Washington, Cleveland, Toronto, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee.
    *Edit: Also, even though I can easily see Cleveland finishing 7th, I think they're also more likely to fall apart than most teams, which would make the playoffs an easier goal for Detroit or Atlanta.
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    i think when you look at the team now compared to last year, the team is a lot better. like, our bench isn't going to be complete shit. Val got better as the season went on and apparently has been hanging out with the hulk. plus to me the biggest thing is the coaching. casey seems to finally have a staff that will work for him. nurse REALLY impressed me and i think will be a huge factor in the team's success. nevermind gay finally got his eyes fixed and lowry doesn't look like a christmas ham anymore.

    not saying we're making the playoffs, especially in a year where i think its in the team's best interest to *ahem* "rebuild", buuuuuuuuut the team is a lot better in pretty much every way and we weren't that far off from the playoffs last year, realistically.
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    I really do not understand all the Detroit hype. They go through years of notoriety as being a horrible team, but they sign a player who has a ton of notoriety himself, and all of a sudden they're a playoff lock? They have no bench, other than a 20-year-old rookie in KCP and a chucker who shoots 40% in Rodney Stuckey. Brandon Knight would have to take an enormous step this season for them to be better than the Raptors.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I really do not understand all the Detroit hype. They go through years of notoriety as being a horrible team, but they sign a player who has a ton of notoriety himself, and all of a sudden they're a playoff lock? They have no bench, other than a 20-year-old rookie in KCP and a chucker who shoots 40% in Rodney Stuckey. Brandon Knight would have to take an enormous step this season for them to be better than the Raptors.
    Agreed. I don't see how Detroit wins more than 30 games.
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    ugh.. i was getting tired of everyone using stats, i thought i'd be a bit different
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I really do not understand all the Detroit hype. They go through years of notoriety as being a horrible team, but they sign a player who has a ton of notoriety himself, and all of a sudden they're a playoff lock? They have no bench, other than a 20-year-old rookie in KCP and a chucker who shoots 40% in Rodney Stuckey. Brandon Knight would have to take an enormous step this season for them to be better than the Raptors.
    No one is calling them a lock, but they certainly deserve to be in the conversation with all the other fringe contenders, no? They added the third best free agent on the market in Josh Smith and have even more room for "organic growth" than Toronto does (Drummond/Monroe/Singler/Knight/KCP all 25 or under). For all the talk of them being horrible, they won only 6 less games than the Raptors did last year, and they didn't use a meaningless late season run to prop up their win total.

    Chemisty will be the big issue, but if they can put it together I think they're a real contender for the playoffs.

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