Secondly, you're comparing people of massively different contract levels and massively different talent levels! Spot up shooters like Dudley and Redick will never ever see a check for $10+ million per year. The only spot up shooter that comes to mind that made a shit ton of money is Ray Allen when he was with the Celtics which is easily understandable since he was playing on a whole other level to Dudley and Redick. He was one of the best 3 points shooter in NBA history, and clutch. You basically using Dudley and Redick as an example to make your point seem valid which is flawed for the varies reason. Obviously if they tried to create points in isolation their TS% would plummet because that's not their game! On the other hand, Gay's game is pure straight up isolation shooter.
Fianlly, stats and analytic are the only way for us fans to judge especially since we don't have access to clips and the majority of fans don't have access/subscriptions to advanced stats provided from sites such as SynergySports.
i would like to point out that when iggy came into the league he was a very gifted offensive player to the extent that the 6ers chose him over iverson. i would prefer iggy to gay 10 out of 10 times. i think gay has a larger offensive repertoire though.
pg 14/15 steph curry 23.8 ppg .443 from 3 7.7 apg 2 stl .638 ts%
sg 84/85 magic johnson 23.5 ppg on .561 shooting 8 rpg 16.2 apg 1.9 stl
sf 99/00 michael finley 22.6 ppg .401 from 3 5.3 apg 6.3 rpg 1.3 stl 42 mpg
pf 73/74 bob mcAdoo 30.6 ppg .547 on shooting 15.1 rpg 1.2 stl 3.3 blk 43 min
c 99/00 alonzo mourning 21.7 pts on .551 shooting 9.5 rbg 3.7 blk
Are we really arguing Iggy's shooting over Gay? As someone pointed out Rudy's shooting % is not any lower over his entire career and he takes high volume shots. We all know what Iggy brings to the game and scoring is not one of them. Gay may be worth keeping if we re-sign him on a 48million/4 year deal. But I expect him to demand more (60m/4y) after a productive season and we are not exactly known for securing bargain deals. Rudy will sit out the 18million expiring contract if he does not like what is being offered and we may end up losing him for nothing after 2 years of mid-range draft picks. It may be a good idea to trade him and Lowry midway if we are nowhere close to securing a playoff spot. As Lowe says, if there was a season to blow it all up - this is it. Andrew Wiggins or die.
Edit : Iggy shot 60% from FT in the last 3 years.
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And, crucially, Iggy is better at defending than Rudy is. This is not to say that Rudy is a sieve; he's a decent enough defender. But Iggy is much, much better at it, and would likely fit in with Casey's game plan better.
Personally, I'd prefer Iggy over Gay. I acknowledge that Gay is certainly the better offensive weapon, and if we had Iggy in our lineup instead of Gay it would certainly hurt us late in the clock and in those situations that demands a clutch ISO shooter. Not that I think Gay is all that clutch, but certainly moreso than Iggy. What I like about Iggy is his all around game, and the fact that he can have an impact without filling up the stat sheet. He does possess the abiltity to score and rebound and all that, but he can also force opposing offences into bad shot situations, something there is no stat to quantify. He is an "intangible" guy that can also score, rebound, steal and block shots. Plus, I think he has a better approach to the game than Rudy, but I'm just guessing here. Rudy seems to lackadaisical for me, sometimes he just doesn't seem that into it, and that hurts because we are relying on him to take the team on his shoulders when we are struggling. We are down by 8 late the game, need a big shot, give it to Rudy, who misses, and then takes a brisk walk back on defense while chirping to the refs and his defensive assignment scores on the other end. That shit don't jive with me, and you're not likely to get that from Iggy. Iggy seems to give 110% every time, although that's hard for me to say because i certainly haven't seen Iggy play every game. But if Iggy has ever appeared lazy or nonchalant on the court, I have yet to witness it or hear anyone mention it.
I'll also acknowledge that I think Gay has the potential to have that really impactful all around game, while still being a 20-25 ppg type player. I wanna see the effort consistently on both ends of the floor.
The thing about Iggy, is that at this point in his career he is no longer a "go to" guy. His last couple of years in Philly was an example of how much he blends into the crowd. He fits well in Denver and now presumambly in Golden State where he doesn't need to be the man. On a team like the Raptors where there isn't any star talent I think maybe Gay is the better fit between the two.
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC?
This isn't a debate about whether we'd rather have Iggy or Gay, it's a debate about whether Gay's market value is 14M per year.
And it's VERY CLEAR that it is.
*This is why I'm ok with just trying to make a go of it with this roster for this season, and hope it works out. I don't like the Raptors tanking window this year. Frankly, they had an excellent window last year after the shit start, but instead kept trying to compete.
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