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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    ..All that said, I'd prefer a Val - Amir - Acy rotation going forward to any 3 big man rotation this Raptor's team has had in a very long time
    At least since Antonio Davis, Charles Oakley and Kevin Willis back in 1999-2000 and part of 2000 - 2001 seasons.

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    People have short memories in a couple of regards.
    1) Davis was on the scrap heap before last year (ie after 2 NBA seasons) .. he had a strong start to the season (mostly because we had no one else on the team and he was forced into action .. but before that his trajectory looked much worse than Ross's does even now
    2) He couldnt even crack the lineup in Memphis! Of course I wouldnt expect him to start or see minutes anywhere near MG/ZR ... but to not even play at all! That has to say something ..
    3) Ross has had one year (of very, very inconsistent minutes) and 3 or 4 summer league games .. lets see what he can do. People seem to forget that he actually did have some decent games and showed he can be our best player in transition, taking the ball to the hoop HARD (unlike DD). Before we got Gay, I was thrilled with Ross .. just not with his playing time

    Bottom line ... I like Ed .. would love to have him back .. but lets call a spade a spade .. he still has not done much in this league .. and even with the ups and downs, Id take Ross's potential at this stage
    #3 YES, i totally agree
    give the kid a chance, it was his rookie season and to be fair he didn't get a whole lotta minutes. Terrence will have a break out season. yall need to understand that he had a tough season which brought down his confidence, and he had the opportunity to shine at summer league but he didn't. Ross wont be seeing limited minutes next season, or if Casey starts the whole 'i cant play Terrence because he needs to earn his minutes' yah shutup your boy aa is gone i better see ross as our 6-7 man a or maybe our 8th man. i hate using stats but ima use stats.

    if you compare terrence and DeMar's rookie season numbers there pretty similar. in 21.6 mins a game DeMar averaged 8.6 points, 49.8 percent shooting with and addition of 2.99 rebounds per game.
    while Ross played 4 mins less than demar (17 mins) he averaged 6.4 points, of a shooting percent of 49.8 and grabbing 2.9 boards. quite similar right?

    next steps for ross: make a living at the free throw line (get bigger)
    hes got a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to live up to the expectations that we set for him..
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    ...if you compare terrence and DeMar's rookie season numbers there pretty similar. in 21.6 mins a game DeMar averaged 8.6 points, 49.8 percent shooting with and addition of 2.99 rebounds per game.
    while Ross played 4 mins less than demar (17 mins) he averaged 6.4 points, of a shooting percent of 49.8 and grabbing 2.9 boards. quite similar right? ...
    Now don't go comparing Ross' game to Derozan's or you will bring out the "DD Trade Legion."

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    Now don't go comparing Ross' game to Derozan's or you will bring out the "DD Trade Legion."
    by that i meant that t ross is on his way
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    sorry but DD is one of the most overrated players on the board. All you ever hear about is all the hard work he is putting in and how he's a family man now. But what do you see on the court? All he has shown is that he can score when lowry creates wide open looks for him, or pushes him the ball on the fast break. He can't defend, his shooting mechanics are the ugliest shit I've ever seen, terrence ross might be a bust, but DD ain't worth a damn either. I really hope other teams are as high on him as we are, so we can trade his ass. End rant. In fact DD should just be an insurance policy, just in case terrence ross is a bust, certainly not a cornerstone of this team.
    Last edited by akashsingh; Sat Jul 27th, 2013 at 10:16 AM.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    sorry but DD is one of the most overrated players on the board. All you ever hear about is all the hard work he is putting in and how he's a family man now. But what do you see on the court? All he has shown is that he can score when lowry creates wide open looks for him, or pushes him the ball on the fast break. He can't defend, his shooting mechanics are the ugliest shit I've ever seen, terrence ross might be a bust, but DD ain't worth a damn either. I really hope other teams are as high on him as we are, so we can trade his ass. End rant. In fact DD should just be an insurance policy, for terrence ross and his chance of being a bust, not a cornerstone of this team.
    Dam..

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    #3 YES, i totally agree
    give the kid a chance, it was his rookie season and to be fair he didn't get a whole lotta minutes. Terrence will have a break out season. yall need to understand that he had a tough season which brought down his confidence, and he had the opportunity to shine at summer league but he didn't. Ross wont be seeing limited minutes next season, or if Casey starts the whole 'i cant play Terrence because he needs to earn his minutes' yah shutup your boy aa is gone i better see ross as our 6-7 man a or maybe our 8th man. i hate using stats but ima use stats.

    if you compare terrence and DeMar's rookie season numbers there pretty similar. in 21.6 mins a game DeMar averaged 8.6 points, 49.8 percent shooting with and addition of 2.99 rebounds per game.
    while Ross played 4 mins less than demar (17 mins) he averaged 6.4 points, of a shooting percent of 49.8 and grabbing 2.9 boards. quite similar right?

    next steps for ross: make a living at the free throw line (get bigger)
    hes got a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to live up to the expectations that we set for him..
    Yes .. and perhaps more importantly, Ross has shown component parts that DD has never shown, namely
    - Ability to hit the open 3
    - Ability to take the ball strong to the hoop and finish strong with a dunk (both in the open court and in a half court set)

    To this date, however many years in the league, DD has not shown the ability to do either of these things, ever.

    I fully admit that Ross has only been in extremely small samples (as someone said earlier .. he probably had like 4 good games last year ... and that estimate isnt far off). But, if he can put these things together - even if nothing else in his game develops .. he will be a very solid NBA player

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    sorry but DD is one of the most overrated players on the board. All you ever hear about is all the hard work he is putting in and how he's a family man now. But what do you see on the court? All he has shown is that he can score when lowry creates wide open looks for him, or pushes him the ball on the fast break. He can't defend, his shooting mechanics are the ugliest shit I've ever seen, terrence ross might be a bust, but DD ain't worth a damn either. I really hope other teams are as high on him as we are, so we can trade his ass. End rant. In fact DD should just be an insurance policy, just in case terrence ross is a bust, certainly not a cornerstone of this team.
    no one was talking about DeMar, i was comparing Ross to him to show that hes on his way to be coming a wing player like demar or someone even better. i agree with the end statement though. but you need to understand that hes getting better, he's improving (he didnt get a chance in the usa scrimmage because everyone wanted to take a shoot and he almost never got the ball (and when he did he was forced to take the shot- near the end of the shot clock) its about ross and not demar... just makin that clear
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    Yes .. and perhaps more importantly, Ross has shown component parts that DD has never shown, namely
    - Ability to hit the open 3
    - Ability to take the ball strong to the hoop and finish strong with a dunk (both in the open court and in a half court set)

    To this date, however many years in the league, DD has not shown the ability to do either of these things, ever.

    I fully admit that Ross has only been in extremely small samples (as someone said earlier .. he probably had like 4 good games last year ... and that estimate isnt far off). But, if he can put these things together - even if nothing else in his game develops .. he will be a very solid NBA player
    Yeah, you speak the truth brother.

    I added some videos to remind everybody how bad he is at it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGeo0xKSMc



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_X_nUrFf3E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsLVUO065U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4EgwnaeO0

    ... he may prefer jump shooting but he can definitely take the ball to the rack.

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    Quote mike, prague wrote: View Post
    Yeah, you speak the truth brother.

    I added some videos to remind everybody how bad he is at it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGeo0xKSMc



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_X_nUrFf3E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsLVUO065U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4EgwnaeO0

    ... he may prefer jump shooting but he can definitely take the ball to the rack.
    Ok .. I may have slightly exagerated to say DD has never taken the ball strong to the hoop .. of course he has a few times.

    BUT - even look at that first clip you posted, i would say 90% of them are with no defender anywhere near him. Even the ones in the half court he typically finishes with a dunk when hes able to step right past the defender with no contest. When he has a man near him, he does the slow delayed step around old man" move where he goes around the defender and lays it up.
    Anyways - not hear to hack on DD - the point was more that when TR gets the ball in the open court, even if there is a guy between him and the hoop .. you get the feeling that hes either dunking it or getting fouled - nothing in between. I love that. (and the contrast was DD, where Im nervous as shit that he will just finish the play, let alone embarrass his defender).
    Same thing in the half court .. when TR gets a step, he attacks the rim .. doesnt give a shit about getting hit. I like that to.
    And, as for the highlight package, TR's is almost as impressive, and hes played spot duty in shitty minutes for 1 year, whereas DD has 4 years of heavy mins .. he should have WAY more aggressive takes than he does.

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    is there a demar vs t ross thread or does someone need or start it
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote mike, prague wrote: View Post
    Yeah, you speak the truth brother.

    I added some videos to remind everybody how bad he is at it.





    ... he may prefer jump shooting but he can definitely take the ball to the rack.
    at 2:07 the worst defense by rudy i've ever seen in my life
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote lilmamba_ wrote: View Post
    #3 YES, i totally agree
    give the kid a chance, it was his rookie season and to be fair he didn't get a whole lotta minutes. Terrence will have a break out season. yall need to understand that he had a tough season which brought down his confidence, and he had the opportunity to shine at summer league but he didn't. Ross wont be seeing limited minutes next season, or if Casey starts the whole 'i cant play Terrence because he needs to earn his minutes' yah shutup your boy aa is gone i better see ross as our 6-7 man a or maybe our 8th man. i hate using stats but ima use stats.

    if you compare terrence and DeMar's rookie season numbers there pretty similar. in 21.6 mins a game DeMar averaged 8.6 points, 49.8 percent shooting with and addition of 2.99 rebounds per game.
    while Ross played 4 mins less than demar (17 mins) he averaged 6.4 points, of a shooting percent of 49.8 and grabbing 2.9 boards. quite similar right?

    next steps for ross: make a living at the free throw line (get bigger)
    hes got a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to live up to the expectations that we set for him..
    Ross shot 40.7% for the season.

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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    Ross shot 40.7% for the season.
    oops lol his and demars cants be the same i mixed it up xD
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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    sorry but DD is one of the most overrated players on the board. All you ever hear about is all the hard work he is putting in and how he's a family man now. But what do you see on the court?
    i see 18 ppg
    what do you see?

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    Really Demar vs Ross? Really? To me the question is Ross vs Davis, and I would have leaned towards Davis. Has nothing to do with skill.

    With JV, Amir, ED, and Acy the big rotation for this team could have been solid for 3-5 years. Keeping Ross solidifies nothing. Do I think Ross is talented? Yes. Do I think he has more potential than Demar? Yes. But Demar is a tangible talent. I know what to expect, if I was a GM, who just locked him up on an extension, and I have a solid, improving frontcourt, why would I weaken the one area of success to keep something that is slow to develop? The only reason ED was in that trade was because BC still believed in Andrea. Moving ED gave Andrea a spot in the rotation.

    Unless we're talking about stars, you keep the big guy with talent and potential. You keep Demar because he's locked in, and Gay can opt out. Ross is a West coast kid who hasn't shown any real love for Toronto, and has been pinned to the bench. Ya'll think he's going to stay longer than he has to if he doesn't get more play time (that he hasn't earned)? Seriously, is this even a debate? It's got nothing to do with talent.

    Either way the wings are a mess. They're still a mess. Psycho T is a good band aid but he doesn't have ED's potential, but the bigs look pretty good. Getting a PF who shoots 3s (from the Knicks) doesn't resolve that mess on the wings, it fills the AB role for a lot less. Right now the back up wings are a one-armed player and a kid who didn't show for summer league. Whatever. Sorry about the rant.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Really Demar vs Ross? Really? To me the question is Ross vs Davis, and I would have leaned towards Davis. Has nothing to do with skill.

    With JV, Amir, ED, and Acy the big rotation for this team could have been solid for 3-5 years. Keeping Ross solidifies nothing. Do I think Ross is talented? Yes. Do I think he has more potential than Demar? Yes. But Demar is a tangible talent. I know what to expect, if I was a GM, who just locked him up on an extension, and I have a solid, improving frontcourt, why would I weaken the one area of success to keep something that is slow to develop? The only reason ED was in that trade was because BC still believed in Andrea. Moving ED gave Andrea a spot in the rotation.

    Unless we're talking about stars, you keep the big guy with talent and potential. You keep Demar because he's locked in, and Gay can opt out. Ross is a West coast kid who hasn't shown any real love for Toronto, and has been pinned to the bench. Ya'll think he's going to stay longer than he has to if he doesn't get more play time (that he hasn't earned)? Seriously, is this even a debate? It's got nothing to do with talent.

    Either way the wings are a mess. They're still a mess. Psycho T is a good band aid but he doesn't have ED's potential, but the bigs look pretty good. Getting a PF who shoots 3s (from the Knicks) doesn't resolve that mess on the wings, it fills the AB role for a lot less. Right now the back up wings are a one-armed player and a kid who didn't show for summer league. Whatever. Sorry about the rant.
    To be clear .. I agree with you 100% - DD vs Ross isnt a debate at this point .. DD is a way better player. My use of the comparison was simply to show that Ross does a couple of key things (shoot 3s and take it strong) better than DD. I used that as a reason why you might keep him vs Ed.

    I hear ya on your Ed point .. which perhaps said more simply is that the trade would have balanced the team if we gave up a wing instead of a PG and a big when we were acquiring a wing.

    But, ... I still think the potential of Ross (even in hindsight after a crappy 2nd half and summer league) trumps the known commodity of Ed.

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    Yeah, Ross has got the edge on Derozan in defence and 3's.. But only in potential hasn't shown he can do either consistently yet in the NBA, yet alone in summer league. With Derozan, you know what you're getting. 18 ppg, but so far in a fairly inefficient matter.

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    They only thing Ross has proved that his a role player and that it. He will neve be a option 1,2, or 3. His a old fashion 3D guy. He'll play better with players around him.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    They only thing Ross has proved that his a role player and that it. He will neve be a option 1,2, or 3. His a old fashion 3D guy. He'll play better with players around him.
    so far I think he has shown he would play better if he was the only one on the floor (dunk competition)!

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