Why was this trade moved to the NBA section? I thought the debate was about Raptor players...
Nevertheless, I find these 'top 10 player in a certain position' lists very subjective. Each person is going to have a different definition of what they consider a top 10 player. I know people that don't consider Jordan the best NBA player of all time, and that's because they look at players in a different context.
Also positions have become gray over time. The 'wing' spot blurs. Is someone like Lebron a SF or a PF? What about Durant? And if you want to rank guys then do you consider their overall game or just the things they do well? For example would Novak be considered a top 10 player because he shoots the 3 really, really well? Or would you consider the other parts of his game and then rank his overall value?
Gay looks like a top 10 SF. He's athletic, has had a lot of 'top 10' moments already.. he's had game winners and is paid very well. His defense seems to hold up, but then you question his role in Memphis. They were willing to trade him for a 3rd string PF and an old vet. If you consider the 'money' side of things that's fine, but the team did pretty well without Gay in the line up. Subjectively I would consider Gay a top 10 SF but he's not an all-star, at least not yet and being a top 5 player / all-star means more than being a subjective top 10 player.
Lowry is more difficult to asses. He has had some really nice PER's in his career but does he really make the players around him better? And if he does not then is he really worth talking about as a top 10 PG? In my opinion a PG needs to make the guys around him better.. he needs to create and be a leader... When JV was not getting touches was that Casey or was that Lowry? Stats wise he looks good but as have been stated there are a lot of good PG's in the league. Top 10 would be questionable, and if you asked me before the start of last season I would have said yes.. but right now? I could probably think of 12-13 guys that I'd rather want on the team.
DeMar in my opinion gets a lot of slack on this forum, but I think that's because he's been on a bad team. I would not consider him a top 10 SG, and that's because he doesn't do much extremely well. Well I guess his mid-range game is one of the best, but is that something to get giddy about? There are two types of SG's that I would prefer... one that can create their own shot (so a very good isolation player, even if double teamed) or a 3&D guy (or both). A good 3&D player is very valuable. But so are guys that can create their own shot (ie, a second PG on the team). I don't think DeMar is good at either and therefore would not be in my opinion a top 10 player.
JV I hope will be a top 10 center. Although that's a big feat. He'd still have to be better than guys like Howard, Gasol, Noah, Cousins, Horford, Hibbert, Chandler, Pekovic, Lopez, Vucevic, and Asik.. and prove he's better then guys like Davis, Kanter, Sanders, Noel and Drummond.
That doesn't even include guys that will be coming into the league. I heard Okafor's cousin is going to be special - but who knows.
Saying all that.. the starting line up is probably a couple of tweaks away from being special. But there are a lot of other teams with better starting line ups and the Raptors have a lot of work ahead of them to compete with those teams. This is why the Raptors are a bubble team to make the playoffs in a bad Eastern conference.