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    Why in all hell is Ty Lawson even in this conversation
    LOL..cuz he is
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Because he's not.

    1. Rose
    2. Paul
    3. Westbrook
    4. Curry
    5. Irving
    your rankings are a bit more accurate than mine
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    Lowry did little outside the first 3 games to convince me he cracks the top 20 PG's in the NBA, but then this is a "projection" article right, so, it means that it really means....nothing.

    Its assuming Lowry wants a better contract, therefore he wont be fat, and he will have learned how to be a leader, a positive influence, and an actual point guard with smarts...big ifs there if you ask me.

    As for Parker not on th list....I suppose they are assuming he is moving right from amazing to Alzheimer's over the Summer....I can't think of any other reason to leave a guy like that off.

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    This list is crazy. If you think of it in the simplest terms (who would I replace Lowry with?) -- Jrue Holiday would have to be in the top 10

    1. Paul
    2. Rose
    3. Westbrook (I wouldn't rank him so high but after seeing OKC crumble without him - he's a game changer)
    4. Irving
    5. Curry
    6. Holiday
    7. Parker
    8. Williams
    9. Rondo (best playmaker behind Paul)
    10. Rubio (dat potential)
    11. Wall
    12. Lawson
    13. Conley
    14. Lillard
    15. Lowry
    16. Nash (a 2 time MVP who can still average .500 .400 and .900 doesn't just fall off the list)
    17. Teague (underrated)
    18. Jennings
    19. Walker (probably could be higher but in a bad situation)
    20. Ellis
    21. Bledsoe
    22. Hill
    23. Nelson
    24. Calderon
    25. (mo) Williams
    Last edited by connected; Mon Jul 29th, 2013 at 10:45 PM.

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    I keep finding it funny that outsiders have a much better praise of our players(DD and Lowry) than the ppl in this thread. So far ESPN thinks we have a top10 backcourt. I agree with them too.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    One spot behind Derrick Rose? Damn. Though I would take Lowry over Lawson.

    ADD Gave a bit more context to your title...
    No probs.

    I was creating the thread while my boss was asking me how my weekend was.

    I couldnt concentrate properly, hehehe

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I keep finding it funny that outsiders have a much better praise of our players(DD and Lowry) than the ppl in this thread. So far ESPN thinks we have a top10 backcourt. I agree with them too.
    Yeah whats up with that?

    Outsiders keep giving props to our players, like the US team selecting DD for their select team, ESPN projecting Lowry as a top 10 PG, JV being given the Summer League MVP, Rudy being categorized having way more value than just expiring contracts and here we are, actual fans of the team, saying that no chance Lowry is a Top 10 PG, Rudy and DD have no trade value and JV, well, he's the only who hasnt gotten the ire of the fans yet.

    Is this really "Raptors" republic??

    Weird.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    No probs.

    I was creating the thread while my boss was asking me how my weekend was.

    I couldnt concentrate properly, hehehe
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    Lots disagree, but I think where Rose is is pretty spot on. This is 2013-14 we're talking about, not the future. You seriously can't expect him to be MVP-calibre after taking a whole year off of pro basketball.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    This being a contract year, I think it's wise to expect an uptick in Lowry's performance.
    Prime deadline trade bait if I ever saw it.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Yeah whats up with that?

    Outsiders keep giving props to our players, like the US team selecting DD for their select team, ESPN projecting Lowry as a top 10 PG, JV being given the Summer League MVP, Rudy being categorized having way more value than just expiring contracts and here we are, actual fans of the team, saying that no chance Lowry is a Top 10 PG, Rudy and DD have no trade value and JV, well, he's the only who hasnt gotten the ire of the fans yet.

    Is this really "Raptors" republic??

    Weird.
    For me, I saw Lowry and the other Raps in late 2012-13 and they did not work well as a team
    - Lowry was not on form and seemed torn between the full offense guy and the play-maker guy
    - Derozan and Gay were not working well together - too much iso and not enough play-making including screens
    - JV was starting to play well down by the basket - but Lowry and Gay repeatedly ignored him

    I am going to wait until the pre-season to see if the Raptors are functioning and capable of all this potential
    Until they bring the offence up to a higher level and get coordinated, their potential will not be realized

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    Quote GoingBig wrote: View Post
    For me, I saw Lowry and the other Raps in late 2012-13 and they did not work well as a team
    - Lowry was not on form and seemed torn between the full offense guy and the play-maker guy
    - Derozan and Gay were not working well together - too much iso and not enough play-making including screens
    - JV was starting to play well down by the basket - but Lowry and Gay repeatedly ignored him

    I am going to wait until the pre-season to see if the Raptors are functioning and capable of all this potential
    Until they bring the offence up to a higher level and get coordinated, their potential will not be realized
    Everything you mention is a coaching issue not a personnel problem. Gay looked for JV the most.

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    DJ Augustin should be number 1

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    Remember the ESPN list is projecting next season, it is not a career projection or a career ranking

    Quote connected wrote: View Post
    This list is crazy. If you think of it in the simplest terms (who would I replace Lowry with?) -- Jrue Holiday would have to be in the top 10

    1. Paul
    2. Rose
    3. Westbrook (I wouldn't rank him so high but after seeing OKC crumble without him - he's a game changer)
    4. Irving
    5. Curry
    6. Holiday
    7. Parker
    8. Williams
    9. Rondo (best playmaker behind Paul)
    10. Rubio (dat potential)
    11. Wall
    12. Lawson
    13. Conley
    14. Lillard
    15. Lowry
    16. Nash (a 2 time MVP who can still average .500 .400 and .900 doesn't just fall off the list)
    17. Teague (underrated)
    18. Jennings
    19. Walker (probably could be higher but in a bad situation)
    20. Ellis
    21. Bledsoe
    22. Hill
    23. Nelson
    24. Calderon
    25. (mo) Williams
    Ugh where do I start? I would like to just clear up your top 14 but some of your picks below are just...
    Nash is done. Teague should be higher... Noone else below 14 is worth mentioning, but how could you have Jennings and Ellis on your list? Am I missing something? I digress. Let's unpack your top 14:

    1. Paul
    2. Rose -- injured
    3. Westbrook --injured
    4. Irving
    5. Curry -- does he qualify as a pg for the article -- not sure?
    6. Holiday -- learning a new system on a new team in a tougher division
    7. Parker -- getting up there in age
    8. Williams -- Maybe 5 years ago. Not that it matters but the idea that he is a superstar pg is long past.
    9. Rondo -- injured
    10. Rubio -- hasn't proven himself for a full season without spending huge chunks injured
    11. Wall -- played good for the last 2 months of the season; if that's not good enough for the Raps then...
    12. Lawson
    13. Conley
    14. Lillard -- Looks like he'll have a better career, but that's not what the list is about.

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    I keep finding it funny that outsiders have a much better praise of our players(DD and Lowry) than the ppl in this thread. So far ESPN thinks we have a top10 backcourt. I agree with them too.
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    Yeah whats up with that?

    Outsiders keep giving props to our players, like the US team selecting DD for their select team, ESPN projecting Lowry as a top 10 PG, JV being given the Summer League MVP, Rudy being categorized having way more value than just expiring contracts and here we are, actual fans of the team, saying that no chance Lowry is a Top 10 PG, Rudy and DD have no trade value and JV, well, he's the only who hasnt gotten the ire of the fans yet.

    Is this really "Raptors" republic??

    Weird.
    Just thought that needed to be repeated. We'll have enough to moan about when the season gets going. Isn't the offseason about hope? Am I missing something? New GM? New angry American screaming I want titles? This doesn't create hope?

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    For me, I saw Lowry and the other Raps in late 2012-13 and they did not work well as a team
    - Lowry was not on form and seemed torn between the full offense guy and the play-maker guy
    - Derozan and Gay were not working well together - too much iso and not enough play-making including screens
    - JV was starting to play well down by the basket - but Lowry and Gay repeatedly ignored him

    I am going to wait until the pre-season to see if the Raptors are functioning and capable of all this potential
    Until they bring the offence up to a higher level and get coordinated, their potential will not be realized
    I'm not sure that we're watching the same team. The last third of the season Lowry was finally allowed to call plays. There was a lot less stagnation, more ball movement, etc. However, you can spot the Casey sets, the ball swings to one side and sticks, leading to a high school motion set or an iso. He only calls variations of 2 plays. To blame that on the point guard is to not notice the repetition out of timeouts. No point guard would intentionally run the same plays over and over and stagnate the offense. More importantly, a guard like Lowry would rather set things off the pick and roll. That's how JV started getting looks, then Rudy started looking for him when the ball was less stagnate,etc.

    The reality is the starting 5 were a top 10 offensive and defensive unit, the stats bare that out. Even if the opposition for say the last 5 games was less than aggressive that trend began early in the creation of the unit and maintained itself throughout the portion of the season they played together.

    The bench on the other hand was atrocious. If Fields returns without a jumpshot, and a proper bench wing is not brought in, bringing in upgrades in Hansborough, DJ, Buykes (potenially), and the new 3 point specialist do not matter. Especially since the coach goes too deep into his bench on a regular basis. The Raps last year only had Gray and AA who deserved anything resembling minutes off the bench after ED and Jose were moved. That's where most of the games were lost -- poor time management of players.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Everything you mention is a coaching issue not a personnel problem. Gay looked for JV the most.
    This. It would actually be very easy for this team to co-exist if it were coached properly. For example, here's one change I would make:

    DeMar should be operating from the corner 3 way more often. Not saying he actually has to shoot the 3, but the fact that he shoots about 35% from that area means that the defense isn't going to be able to leave him open, so you can spread the floor. Now the reason why you'd want DeMar doing this instead of trading him for a one-dimensional player like Redick or Danny Green, is because if he gets closed out, he has the ability to take one or two dribbles and drain the midrange shot or go all the way to the rim baseline and draw fouls. Additionally he could post up his man as well.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Yeah whats up with that?

    Outsiders keep giving props to our players, like the US team selecting DD for their select team, ESPN projecting Lowry as a top 10 PG, JV being given the Summer League MVP, Rudy being categorized having way more value than just expiring contracts and here we are, actual fans of the team, saying that no chance Lowry is a Top 10 PG, Rudy and DD have no trade value and JV, well, he's the only who hasnt gotten the ire of the fans yet.

    Is this really "Raptors" republic??

    Weird.
    I don't think fans are saying that Gay/DD have no trade value - I think they're saying that it's a combo not worth building around. That's a key difference.

    The same ESPN also had the Raptors ranked 11th in the East this upcoming season and the homers were ready to storm Bristol, Connecticut with their pitchforks and torches. Now that they've got Lowry ranked in the top ten, a lot of the same people are praising ESPN as the only ones who know what they're talking about. Funny how that works.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    DeMar should be operating from the corner 3 way more often. Not saying he actually has to shoot the 3, but the fact that he shoots about 35% from that area means that the defense isn't going to be able to leave him open, so you can spread the floor. Now the reason why you'd want DeMar doing this instead of trading him for a one-dimensional player like Redick or Danny Green, is because if he gets closed out, he has the ability to take one or two dribbles and drain the midrange shot or go all the way to the rim baseline and draw fouls. Additionally he could post up his man as well.
    Spot on. I don't think Demar should be put in a position where he is relied upon to make his own offense. This strategy gives him a couple options that all suit his strengths and don't require him to think much about what he wants to do. It's just a matter of react to what the defense gives you. Demar doesn't have the quickness or creativity (IMO) to be consistently successful if Casey continues to put him in iso situations.

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    Quote Hennessy wrote: View Post
    Spot on. I don't think Demar should be put in a position where he is relied upon to make his own offense. This strategy gives him a couple options that all suit his strengths and don't require him to think much about what he wants to do. It's just a matter of react to what the defense gives you. Demar doesn't have the quickness or creativity (IMO) to be consistently successful if Casey continues to put him in iso situations.
    He definitely should never be isolating, it's not his game.

    DeMar needs to be used how Rip Hamilton was in Detroit, DeMar has a chance to be a more athletic version of Rip (their stats and strengths are eerily similar).

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