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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    Because we don't need a poor man's Steve Novak.(that's saying something)
    If Daye finds some more shooting form - and you have to assume that this is part of Nick Nurse's job - then he becomes a movable asset, the sort of player who gets you a second-rounder. That's really the entire reason for the contract. Most of Masai's signings are low-risk lottery tickets and this is basically the same thing. If Daye produces, either he becomes a cheap roleplayer or he'll be gone in a trade to get us better assets (most likely a second-rounder or draft rights to someone Masai likes). If he doesn't, welp, no second year guarantee means that lottery ticket didn't produce a scratch-and-win, shucks, we didn't get value from the ass end of our bench just like ninety percent of teams don't.

    All of Masai's signings have been like this. Augustin: if he returns to form he's a bargain, if not, whatever. Buycks: a rookie find with real upside and if he doesn't pan out, not a big deal. Psycho T was clearly underpriced so he'll get some minutes and then, most likely, some team thinking he's worth double his current salary and needing a solid backup big will call, and if we don't need him we'll get some quality trade value from him.

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    As a note, 2M for 2 years is literally the minimum for a player with his experience. Could not have spent less on him. Especially considering the 2nd unguaranteed year.

    And a note for the list of unguaranteed contracts someone posted above - Amir's contract is guaranteed for 5 of his 7 M next year - no way they waive him to save 2 M.

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    Masai signs contracts with the intent of creating flexibility. Literally every contract signed since he got here has been been fair, to below market value, high upside, low risk, high reward, easily moveable deals. If two out (Daye, Augustin, Buycks, Novak, Hansbrough, or Richardson) either find their form, regain their form, or settle in to a role we win.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    And a note for the list of unguaranteed contracts someone posted above - Amir's contract is guaranteed for 5 of his 7 M next year - no way they waive him to save 2 M.
    I agree that Amir likely won't be waived. It was more to illustrate just how much flexibility was being created.

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    Any possible comparison between Austin Daye and Corey Brewer? Because physically they seem similar.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    As a note, 2M for 2 years is literally the minimum for a player with his experience. Could not have spent less on him. Especially considering the 2nd unguaranteed year.

    And a note for the list of unguaranteed contracts someone posted above - Amir's contract is guaranteed for 5 of his 7 M next year - no way they waive him to save 2 M.
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Just thought I would mention that MU has slowly created the following scenario (Acy, Amir, Aaron, KL obviously non MU pieces)

    Austin Daye - 2 years 2nd year non guaranteed.
    Amir Johnson - 2 years 2nd year non guaranteed.
    Aaron Gray - 1 year expiring
    DJ Augustin - 1 year expiring
    Quincy Acy - 2 years 2nd year non guaranteed
    Dwight Buycks - 2 years 2nd year non guaranteed
    Tyler Hansbrough - 2 years 2nd year non guaranteed
    Kyle Lowry - 1 year expiring
    Q-Rich - 3 years 2nd and 3rd year not guaranteed
    Rudy - 2 years (2nd year player option)

    Only DeMar Novak, JV, Ross and Landry are guaranteed beyond this season
    gay might as well be guaranteed as well.

    like i mentioned in another post. MU said that "2 year plan" in that SN590 interview, but in reality seems more like they are def aiming for 2014 FA.

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    I don't really care to the point where I'm forcing you to change it. I just don't understand you.
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    nothing says 4th seed in the east like Austin Daye
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Any possible comparison between Austin Daye and Corey Brewer? Because physically they seem similar.
    This is pretty much what I was thinking. Very similar to when he picked up Brewer. 3&D.
    Stand outside and clear the lane on O, and he's got long arms that will be effective in the Zone or otherwise for spot minutes.

    I'm not blown away by this signing, but I'm not upset by it either.

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    And a note for the list of unguaranteed contracts someone posted above - Amir's contract is guaranteed for 5 of his 7 M next year - no way they waive him to save 2 M.
    If that $2M is the difference between signing 1 big name Free Agent or 2 big names, then I could see Masai doing it.
    Can always resign him if he clears Waivers.
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    with MU I think it is best to examine all his moves together. He has now signed Hansbrough, Augustin, Buycks, and Daye. He picked up Q-Rich, Novak and three picks for Bargs. However each of these moves individually have varying degrees of meh factor, all of them together, look pretty damn good for a guy who was facing 74 million in contracts and not a chance in hell of passing the second round.

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    Meh. I don't get it. He's young, but he needs to add muscle. If they can move Fields, this makes some sense. But I would prefer a kid that can be stashed in the D-League for the end of the bench... This is the 'best highlights' I could find on him.



    BTW he's playing in the Drew League right now. Not that that means anything.

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    Can't wait to hear interview from Masai why he signed Austin!

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    Can someone just confirm for me the end of our bench? By my math we have 16 guys under contract if we did in fact sign stone and q rich was still on our team. Can someone clarify the back end of the bench for me?

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    Been trying to get excited about this in some way. Can't. Meh signing. Daye's not a good player. But whatever, and end of bench player who can shoot.

    Shooting seems to be the theme with end of benchers. Novak, Q-Rich (if he has any playing value left), DJ, Daye...these guys can all at least shoot the ball. You can maybe throw in Buycks, but I think they might hope to invest in his development and hope he's a keeper, even as a backup. Guessing MU figures shooting always has value. If they are asked to step up and play, at least they bring something to the table. And that something might be attractive to another team for even a small asset mid-season.

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    Quote urbanmonk15 wrote: View Post
    Can someone just confirm for me the end of our bench? By my math we have 16 guys under contract if we did in fact sign stone and q rich was still on our team. Can someone clarify the back end of the bench for me?
    We never signed Stone, and have no intention too. That boat has sailed.. as far as I know.
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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    It seems like MU likes signing low risk young unproven talent which is better than overpaying for role player. I don't hate the signing. Just a "meh". I guess he has potential to be a good role player on our team.
    Exactly. since there's really no money to throw around, Masai seems to be going for players who are low risk(salary-wise), high reward types with a chip on their shoulders and has lots to prove.

    I'm fine with the signing.

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    Not that I care much about Colangelo, I do find it interesting how NOTHING this new guy does is looked upon poorly, everything he has done, people try to find some way to make it a "brilliant move".

    You got guys saying "tank or no tank", others talking about Toronto "finally headed in the right direction".

    All that is happening is yet another complete reset. Except. there is one real issue here, there is enough talent iin he starting five to make resetting more difficult.

    The way I'm seeing it, MU is banking on having the option to either draft Wiggans, or, cut a crap load of salary by waiving non-guaranteed guys to trade acquired picks or stiffs to whoever has the #1 pick, thus allowing them to draft wiggans, yet have room to take on some horrid albatross of a contract from that team.

    Big ifs, but not all bad really.

    Time will tell. But honestly, MU is signing stiffs like mad right now in hopes of a true dive.

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    Whatever else may happen, this is charming as all get out:




    somebody gotta tell the dude that French is not so much a Toronto thing

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    should trade his ass to MOntreal ASAP!

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