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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    12mpg is now about the same as 17mpg?
    Considering there are 48 minutes in a game? Yes

    Both guys were like 8th or 9th off the bench for their teams.

    You have absolutely no argument, WHY is Ross better than Daye right now? I'm waiting for a reasonable, well though out answer.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Considering there are 48 minutes in a game? Yes

    Both guys were like 8th or 9th off the bench for their teams.

    You have absolutely no argument, WHY is Ross better than Daye right now? I'm waiting for a reasonable, well though out answer.
    One player is a 4-year veteran forward playing 12 MPG (over 55 games), the other is a rookie SG who played 17 MPG (over 73 games) - Ross had much less experience, played in 33% more games and played nearly 50% more per game. I think it's safe to say that stats - especially projected stats that estimate production over doubled (Ross) or tripled (Daye) playing time - are effectively useless.

    All things considered, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single coach in the league that would pick Daye over Ross straight-up today, either to suit up tomorrow or 3 years from now.

    Having said that, I was disappointed with Ross last season and hope he gets more consistent playing time to develop this season. I'm also happy with the Daye signing for deep SF depth.
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    Anyway, if i'm Ujiri i would rather sign a CANADIAN in Kris Joseph to be their 5th wingman instead of Daye.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Anyway, if i'm Ujiri i would rather sign a CANADIAN in Kris Joseph to be their 5th wingman instead of Daye.
    If i'm Ujiri I would sign players based on their talent, upside/potential, ability to fill a role etc...also it would be cool if that person was Canadian, but not necessary

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Anyway, if i'm Ujiri i would rather sign a CANADIAN in Kris Joseph to be their 5th wingman instead of Daye.
    No one should ever sign a player simply because of their nationality.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    If i'm Ujiri I would sign players based on their talent, upside/potential, ability to fill a role etc...also it would be cool if that person was Canadian, but not necessary
    Yup. By this logic we'd have Kabongo and Kris Joseph right now, both of whom suck

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    #FreeAndyRautins

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    Having his dad colour commentate would bring out the ultimate beast in him.
    I hope that is next on Leiweke's agenda.

    Get some commentators that don't cause me to watch the game on mute from 6minutes in the first quarter onwards.
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    while we're at it bring back Magloire and run him at point

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    One player is a 4-year veteran forward playing 12 MPG (over 55 games), the other is a rookie SG who played 17 MPG (over 73 games) - Ross had much less experience, played in 33% more games and played nearly 50% more per game. I think it's safe to say that stats - especially projected stats that estimate production over doubled (Ross) or tripled (Daye) playing time - are effectively useless.

    All things considered, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single coach in the league that would pick Daye over Ross straight-up today, either to suit up tomorrow or 3 years from now.

    Having said that, I was disappointed with Ross last season and hope he gets more consistent playing time to develop this season. I'm also happy with the Daye signing for deep SF depth.
    I think what ppl are trying to say is there no reason why Ross should be guaranteed minutes. The fact is that Daye had proven to be more of contributor in the NBA so far. You say that wait till Ross gets consistent minutes but if you think about it Daye has only gotten consistent minutes once in his 4 year. That was his sophomore year and he produces pretty decently.

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    who???

    is this guy gonna be our 9th man? his numbers look pretty awful


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    haha, might as well.

    can we throw in uros slokar too?

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    i was about to lay down the hate and say F you, Ross is the man, but then you make legitimate points.. so i will acknowledge and proceed to frown...and only hope ross gets his shit together.

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    And we're not using convenient #s... Daye is better than Ross in almost every single statistic and they play almost the same minutes...

    Ross: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../rosste01.html
    Daye: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../dayeau01.html

    Daye has better:
    - PER
    - TS%
    - eFG%
    - ORB%
    - DRB%
    - TRB%
    - BLK%
    - ORtg
    - DRtg
    - OWS
    - DWS
    - WS
    - WS/48

    Per 36 Stats:
    Daye: 13.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 2.2apg, 0.7spg, 1.2bpg, 1.5topg, 43.3% FG, 41.8% 3PT, 76.5% FT
    Ross: 13.6ppg, 4.2rpg, 1.5apg, 1.2spg, 0.4bpg, 1.5topg, 40.7% FG, 33.2% 3PT, 71.4% FT
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    preeeeeeeeeeach

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    Dude just stop.

    It's perfectly fair to compare the %s and per 36 numbers of two players who get about the same amount of playing time in similar roles (Daye and Ross).

    Of course Durant and LBJ are gonna shoot lower %s from 3, they almost always take contested shots. Mike Miller meanwhile is a career 41% 3PT shooter with over 1400 made threes, ridiculous to compare his resume to Daye's

    You're just grasping for straws because you have no real argument for why Daye isn't better than Ross right now. Give me some concrete evidence for why Ross is the better player other than your crappy eye test. You're not an NBA scout.
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    Quote Protocall wrote: View Post
    i was about to lay down the hate and say F you, Ross is the man, but then you make legitimate points.. so i will acknowledge and proceed to frown...and only hope ross gets his shit together.
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    Thank you somebody understands me.

    I don't hate Ross. But all these crazies saying that he deserves huge minutes or we should trade DeMar are on crack. He has proven NOTHING as an NBA player so far. If he doesn't improve and Fields gets his shot back, there's no reason why he should even be on the court I'm sorry.

    I want the guy to be successful, but right now he's just not a good basketball player. He's supposed to be a 3+D guy, but he's not really effective at either just yet.

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    Hello people....there is a new sheriff in town and he has been on the job for 2 mos. now. He has picked up a few discards among many available. This is his first test really of picking low cost talent who didnt do so well on other teams. I personally find it exciting to wait out on how they fare on the 2013 version of the Raptors.

    In a way this is going to be a further test of Ujiri's talent evaluating and team building capabilities. He is also an analytics man I hear and many orgs. use different #s of it... but there is a knack on how to use such info visavis complimentary to your own team. I am sure most/if not all of us commenting here have no idea what went into the AD selection.

    We gotto wait it out. Its going to be interesting.

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    I hope that is next on Leiweke's agenda.

    Get some commentators that don't cause me to watch the game on mute from 6minutes in the first quarter onwards.
    If you can really endure 6 minutes of Rautins, I applaud you, sir.

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    If you can really endure 6 minutes of Rautins, I applaud you, sir.
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    Kris Joseph actually has a lot of talent its a shame he hasnt found his way into the league yet ***. Kabongo just came in and showed everyone he isnt ready and should have stayed in school....

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