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    Default The Raptors only have one non-American left on the team - Jonas

    Every single player on the current roster went to school in the US except for JV.

    Seems like the management has taken notice and stopped the stockpiling of international talent once and for all.

    I'm curious if it was the fans' outcry against the Euro flavour, or if they just realized its a league dominated by superior athletes born in America. Maybe it's both? Can't be a coincidence, even if the number of international players was a little lower in the past few years than 06/07.

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    It's totally a coincidence. Stop reading so much into things. It has nothing to do with anything other than trying to get good players. After all, Ujiri cut his teeth as a scout, and specifically as an international scout. To think that he'd stay away from foreign players is nuts.

    *Also, it's actually harder to sign international players when you're strapped for cash. Even though they might not demand a ton of money, it's hard to get them at the minimum, between any buy-out, and compensating them for the risk of leaving an established, successful career. Even harder if you're not a contender.

    **Also, wasn't it pretty widely known/accepted that the international talent pool had been picked pretty clean the last few years? For a while, there was just less movement across the ocean.
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    The Raptors did a poor job scouting international players. Even when they got solid international players they let them go (MB for instance). It's best to reset and get players that fit exactly what's needed. Remember Buyks played in France-- it's not like they're not scouting Europe. Almost every team has international players, it's not a big deal. I'm sure the Raps will add international players in the future.

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    There are only two types of players - good players and bad players. No other classification needed. Just for kicks here is a NBA roster of solely international players:
    C Marc Gasol/Noah/Jonas
    PF Nowitzki/Horford/Ibaka
    SF Deng/Ilyasova/Kirilenko
    SG Ginobili/Batum/Galinari
    PG Parker/Rubio/Calderon
    Pretty sure Raptors fans wouldn't mind seeing their roster look like that?

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    Quote dzoni71 wrote: View Post
    There are only two types of players - good players and bad players. No other classification needed. Just for kicks here is a NBA roster of solely international players:
    C Marc Gasol/Noah/Jonas
    PF Nowitzki/Horford/Ibaka
    SF Deng/Ilyasova/Kirilenko
    SG Ginobili/Batum/Galinari
    PG Parker/Rubio/Calderon
    Pretty sure Raptors fans wouldn't mind seeing their roster look like that?
    This x1000

    I don't give a damn if the players are from Europe, Asia, America, Africa or freaking Pluto. All that matters is if they're good.

    Going out of your way to avoid international players is idiotic. Thank God BC didn't do this in the 2011 draft after striking out on several Euros in the past via the draft and FA. Otherwise we'd probably have Brandon Knight right now instead of Jonas.

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    Quote dzoni71 wrote: View Post
    There are only two types of players - good players and bad players. No other classification needed. Just for kicks here is a NBA roster of solely international players:
    C Marc Gasol/Noah/Jonas
    PF Nowitzki/Horford/Ibaka
    SF Deng/Ilyasova/Kirilenko
    SG Ginobili/Batum/Galinari
    PG Parker/Rubio/Calderon
    Pretty sure Raptors fans wouldn't mind seeing their roster look like that?
    Agree with your general point .. but for the record, you are stretching to call Noah, Deng, Horford international players in the sense that they went to big time college programs and thus from a scouting perspective are essentially American players. Duncan would be a similar case ..

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    Quote dzoni71 wrote: View Post
    There are only two types of players - good players and bad players. No other classification needed. Just for kicks here is a NBA roster of solely international players:
    C Marc Gasol/Noah/Jonas
    PF Nowitzki/Horford/Ibaka
    SF Deng/Ilyasova/Kirilenko
    SG Ginobili/Batum/Galinari
    PG Parker/Rubio/Calderon
    Pretty sure Raptors fans wouldn't mind seeing their roster look like that?
    Isnt Noah from New York?

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    Agree with your general point .. but for the record, you are stretching to call Noah, Deng, Horford international players in the sense that they went to big time college programs and thus from a scouting perspective are essentially American players. Duncan would be a similar case ..
    Yeah by that logic Kyrie Irving is international as well.

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    Agree with your general point .. but for the record, you are stretching to call Noah, Deng, Horford international players in the sense that they went to big time college programs and thus from a scouting perspective are essentially American players. Duncan would be a similar case ..
    I wouldn't compare any of these to Duncan. Tim is born on US soil, played for Team USA so he is definitely an American player. Noah plays for France is of foreign parents and was only born in the US. Deng was born in Africa, spent most of his childhood in the UK and plays for Britain. Just because someone played college basketball does not mean they are not international players, for example Vucevic attended USC, but I do not think anyone would classify him an American.
    It doesn't really matter cause I could have easily replaced them with Pau Gasol, Pekovic and Varejao, that would still be a pretty good team.

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    Agree with your general point .. but for the record, you are stretching to call Noah, Deng, Horford international players in the sense that they went to big time college programs and thus from a scouting perspective are essentially American players. Duncan would be a similar case ..
    Do you consider Andrew Wiggins American then?
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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Yeah by that logic Kyrie Irving is international as well.
    At one point, he was considering playing for Australia I believe in International competition.
    But didn't because he wanted to eventually be considered elligible for Team USA.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Do you consider Andrew Wiggins American then?
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    At one point, he was considering playing for Australia I believe in International competition.
    But didn't because he wanted to eventually be considered elligible for Team USA.
    Touche.

    There's more than one type of International player I guess:

    - Born outside the USA, played professionally overseas before going to the NBA
    - Born outside the USA, came over to the NCAA or HS Prep system before going to the NBA

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Do you consider Andrew Wiggins American then?
    The term American and Euro in NBA terminology basically means NCAA and International club team. So ya, Wiggins falls into the American category and all the South Americans, Africans and Brandon Jennings fall into Euro.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    The Raptors did a poor job scouting international players. Even when they got solid international players they let them go (MB for instance). It's best to reset and get players that fit exactly what's needed. Remember Buyks played in France-- it's not like they're not scouting Europe. Almost every team has international players, it's not a big deal. I'm sure the Raps will add international players in the future.
    Who the hell is MB?

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    The term American and Euro in NBA terminology basically means NCAA and International club team. So ya, Wiggins falls into the American category and all the South Americans, Africans and Brandon Jennings fall into Euro.
    Can I get a source for that term? Or did you just pull it out of your ass.

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    Agree with white mean can't jump....this is purely coincidental, not a plot to avoid players from certain countries.
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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Can I get a source for that term? Or did you just pull it out of your ass.
    You asking for a source, now that's clever

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    Who the hell is MB?
    Marco Belinelli.

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    Quote p3t3ypablo wrote: View Post
    Seems like the management has taken notice and stopped the stockpiling of international talent once and for all.

    I'm curious if it was the fans' outcry against the Euro flavour, or if they just realized its a league dominated by superior athletes born in America. Maybe it's both? Can't be a coincidence, even if the number of international players was a little lower in the past few years than 06/07.
    Don't mistake the fact that Toronto management couldn't find good international players for the belief that there are no good international players. At the start of the year, a record 84 players were on NBA rosters (according to NBA.com).

    Ujiri rose in his profession in large part due to his knowledge and scouting of international players. His Fournier pick was panned by many in Denver but turned out to be very good. I doubt that a guy with Ujiri's pedigree is shying away from international players.

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    Marco Belinelli.
    Ahh that makes more sense. I was thinking Maceo Baston ...
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