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    Default Signs Of Tanking?

    Most of the outside media i have read says that the Raptors will be tanking next season and its only a matter of time before Ujiri will dismantle the team. Personally, i don't see how they came to this conclusion before we even see this team on the court. So im curious if maybe i am missing something? What leads them to think that the Raps will be aiming for lottery balls? (I havent seen any indication) I also wanted to pose the question: When do you know that the Raptors will be going in the opposite direction and what signs make you come to that realization? (ie. Trading Rudy/Demar)

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    I dont think poeple think the raps are going to tank, i think its more of a ''the raptors should tank'' or a ''I want the raptors to tank''
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote lilmamba_ wrote: View Post
    I dont think poeple think the raps are going to tank,
    they just think we are bad
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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    they just think we are bad
    Pretty much.

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    "Most of the outside media"? Probably need to provide some sources for this one buddy.

    If it's ESPN or anything like that, I wouldn't listen.

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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    "Most of the outside media"? Probably need to provide some sources for this one buddy.

    If it's ESPN or anything like that, I wouldn't listen.
    or if its TSN or sportsnet, they dont know anything either.. atleast they dont care
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    "Most of the outside media"? Probably need to provide some sources for this one buddy.

    If it's ESPN or anything like that, I wouldn't listen.
    Sorry about not citing a source but I just keep reading this from all of the article links on the RR homepage. Specifically, all the power rankings i read seem to think the Raptors will be in rebuilding mode (Bleacherreport especially) not that they know any better but i just thought that maybe they see some sort of signal that ive missed...

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    I saw a dude dressed in full military gear the other day.

    Pretty sure that means we're tanking.

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    let me give you this, the day ross starts.. consider its a tank
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    It's simple. They don't know what they're talking about. Not a surprise really.
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    Default Tankers, Just Wanna Point Something Out

    There's already a 4 lottery picks on this team:

    Jonas Valanciunas - 5th -2011
    Terrence Ross - 8th - 2012
    Rudy Gay - 8th - 2006
    DeMar DeRozan - 9th - 2009


    So I just want an explanation for how tanking is guaranteed to yield better players than those. That's all.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    There's already a 4 lottery picks on this team:

    Jonas Valanciunas - 5th -2011
    Terrence Ross - 8th - 2012
    Rudy Gay - 8th - 2006
    DeMar DeRozan - 9th - 2009


    So I just want an explanation for how tanking is guaranteed to yield better players than those. That's all.
    No need to have yet another thread referring to tanking, so I merged yours with yesterday's "tanking" reference.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    There's already a 4 lottery picks on this team:

    Jonas Valanciunas - 5th -2011
    Terrence Ross - 8th - 2012
    Rudy Gay - 8th - 2006
    DeMar DeRozan - 9th - 2009


    So I just want an explanation for how tanking is guaranteed to yield better players than those. That's all.
    don't forget augustin, hansborough, and daye (1 pick out).

    team is loaded with top shelf talent. now we just sit on it and let the playoff wins roll in for years to come.

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    Quote chris wrote: View Post
    don't forget augustin, hansborough, and daye (1 pick out).

    team is loaded with top shelf talent. now we just sit on it and let the playoff wins roll in for years to come.
    What they got to say now? Nothing they can say now. Mobbin' on the low. Winnin' on the low
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    I fully agree with Xixak on this one, we have five lottery picks on this team right now and we just traded a first pick overall a month ago. I, like many of you have been with the Raptors from day one and the losing seasons in Toronto (all sports) are really adding up. We are not going to get Wiggins and have this thing turned around two years after that. We had Vince Carter and didn’t win much of anything really and I don’t know if Wiggins can really have the same impact at the begging as Vince did. I say shoot for the playoffs every single year. The best time for me being a Raptors fan was being in playoffs, ya they didn’t win but I’ll take a second round knockout every year rather than miss the playoffs with pipe dreams of a saviour. Losing so many games and then drafting Ross, Davis or whoever just doesn’t work. I don’t concern myself with things like salary cap, luxury tax or any of that crap because I have no say over it. To me just make the damn playoffs. Just draft better, scout better, sign better, play better whatever, do any one of those things and we make playoffs year after year. If you think we should tank, the only day that matters to you is draft day. Then maybe in a few years we are better. Win every game you can cause all I want is playoff basketball.

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    Btw you can have success in the draft without tanking to a top 5 pick. Look at the 2011 draft for example. With the exception of Irving/JV, the top players were all drafted outside the top 10.

    Klay - 11
    Kawhi - 15
    Vucevic - 16
    Shumpert - 17
    Faried - 22
    Jimmy Butler - 30
    Tobias - 19

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Btw you can have success in the draft without tanking to a top 5 pick. Look at the 2011 draft for example. With the exception of Irving/JV, the top players were all drafted outside the top 10.

    Klay - 11
    Kawhi - 15
    Vucevic - 16
    Shumpert - 17
    Faried - 22
    Jimmy Butler - 30
    Tobias - 19
    This is perhaps the best argument against Tim W.'s line that scouts are much better then in the past and the odds of getting good players outside the top ten is no longer likely.

    EDIT: Although as of yet it doesn't seem like there were any sleepers in the 2012 draft (other than Quincy Acy as a Power 3!)
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    This is perhaps the best argument against Tim W.'s line that scouts are much better then in the past and the odds of getting good players outside the top ten is no longer likely.

    EDIT: Although as of yet it doesn't seem like there were any sleepers in the 2012 draft (other than Quincy Acy as a Power 3!)
    For some reason Ujiri always seems to be the guy that finds them. Fournier was very good for the Nuggets when he finally got minutes late last season. Put up 12-3-2 on 50% FG, 35% 3PT and 93% from 3 in 23 minutes per game in April, about 18-5-4 per 36 if you care for per 36.

    I think Lamb is also going to be very effective for OKC next year, and Sullinger should be a big contributor for Boston with KG gone.

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    Well, Augustin, Buycks, and Daye won't exactly convince anyone that you're not tanking, even though they're products of being over the cap rather than a concerted tank effort.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Btw you can have success in the draft without tanking to a top 5 pick. Look at the 2011 draft for example. With the exception of Irving/JV, the top players were all drafted outside the top 10.

    Klay - 11
    Kawhi - 15
    Vucevic - 16
    Shumpert - 17
    Faried - 22
    Jimmy Butler - 30
    Tobias - 19
    I'll take Kanter, Tristan, Kemba and Derrick Williams over some of those names at this point, but yes, it turned out an interesting draft. 2008 was somewhat similar (a lot of great talent late).

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