.What does an extension have to do with it? How else is Gay going to be resigned?
You need to pay attention in Math class.
Free agent at 32 signing for $15M? No.
*This is a major assumption especially if he has the stellar year that would make him worth resigning.
Total over 4 years: $60M
minus cost of insurance policy
Total over 5 years $79M minus insurance cost.
The key is when do you want to be an UFA? At 28/29 or 31/32?
The Chris Paul situation sounds very like Gay in Toronto to be honest. But it doesn't fit your opinion so I get the dismissive reply.
I don't think Gay is going to agree to an extension because of what you mentioned (the potential of having a stellar year). It's the same reason Ellis didn't. So scenario one is more likely. It's not like the CP3 situation because CP3 is a superstar and even if he tore his ACL/MCL and missed a whole year teams would be lining up to max him. Gay on the other hand would be fucked. PS: I do just fine in university level math thanks
Monta turned down $36M and 3 years from Milwaukee. His inflated view of his own self-worth cost him $12M.
I'm not sure how this matters. All players think that they can and will play better in the following season.
You miss the point referring to LBJ, Wade, Bosh. I don't know how old you are but prior to 2010 there was a belief that players never leave money on the table. Bosh even said the advice given to him by former all-star was make as much money as you can. Wade/LBJ/Bosh leaving money on the table to play together was unprecedented. So while you think players "always" take guaranteed money and years over a big one year salary that can hardly be considered a certainty especially when considering insurance policy possibility and Gay's age relative to the examples of AI and AK-47 you gave initially.
Can you clarify what point you're trying to make here.
Lowry was traded last season for cap space and a lottery draft pick. Bledsoe returned Dudley - the two 2nd round picks got Redick from Milwaukee. The very fact Lowry is not considered to be a hot commodity next summer is exactly why the Raptors should not be boxing themselves on to the treadmill by signing him to a large contract.
Pretty sure BC just made that move to save face after missing out on Nash. And even if he didn't there's a difference between moving a lottery pick in a projected weak draft and a strong one like 2014. I did not say we have to or even should sign Lowry to a big extension. My sentiment is in line with what Ujiri said. See how they play this year then talk about $$$ at the end of the season.
I didn't say anything about a max guy. The fact is even renouncing Amir you wouldn't have enough to sign a max guy if you have a player will to come to Toronto with MAX abilities.
Actually yes you would.
Building through the draft doesn't mean drafting one player in one year and competing for championships immediately. Building through the draft combines the low cost of highly talented players on rookie contracts with the flexibility cap space in trades and free agency.
Right but you need to draft those highly talented players first or your idea is kaput. It's very possible and actually more likely to continue to get screwed by bad picks or ping pong balls year after year than it is to add talent. Look at the mediocrity of the players Cleveland has drafted since getting Irving.
Your example of the Spurs is shortsighted. Does Toronto have the offensive or defensive systems of San Antonio? The talent? The coaching? No to all. Teams that are contenders are drafting for need and inserting players in to situations few lottery picks ever enter.
Why aren't we building that system?
But even relying on late first round picks, second round picks, and undrafted players is certainly much more statistically unlikely than drafting in the top 5/6.
Actually it's very easy to get rotation players with these picks.
BOOM! The money shot!
So you're willing to jump on the treadmill for 4 years of Gay/Lowry and then start over with JV already on a max or near max deal when he is 24? That is the entire point of the discussion you seem to forget. Keeping the core as is guarantees nothing. There is no flexibility. There is nothing to indicate anything more than a .500 team as is and assuming JV becomes dominant, maybe, they get a 5/6 seed.
Idk why you keep suggesting that this is the one and only alternative to tanking. I've never said that we HAVE to keep this core together. What I said is that it's possible to while maintaining flexibility, and the fact is that around 20M in cap room would be available in 2015 even with Gay/Lowry re-signed for a combined 25M (which by your estimate is more than they would need to be paid).
But in point out that example you refuse to acknowledge the superior talent and financial flexibilitiy Indiana possessed.
How? Last year Hibbert was making 14M, Granger 13M, West 10M, Hill 8M with George's max extension looming. In years past they were tied into expensive deals like Posey's 7M a year, Foster's 6.6M a year, Tinsley's 5.5, Ford's 8.5 and Dunleavy's 9.7M. They had flexibility for a 1 year period, which they used to sign West for 10M a year.
Who compared them? If I implied that, sorry. They both are all-star calibre C's.
You said Jonas = Hibbert... Sorry to me an equals sign implies comparison.
Why did OKC manage to pull that off? They stacked up on draft picks. What do people who want to trade Lowry/Gay/DeRozan want in return? Draft picks and young talent and expirings.
Many other teams have stacked up on draft picks before and failed to pull 3 potential HOF players with them.
Toronto already is ahead of the game in getting multiple stars. JV is a star in the making and I agree he will be on that list someday. Toronto is in the rare position of starting a rebuilding project with the hardest position in the game to acquire filled with possible all-star talent, pieces with value for teams trying to make the playoffs on the roster, and leading in to a draft with multiple high end talent at the top of the draft (granted a lot can happen in a year).
You keep talking about tanking. The Raptors only won 34 games! < .500 ball after trade. We're not talking about blowing up a championship contender.
The problem with tanking is that it's very likely that we end up drafting players who take years just to get to the same level as Gay/Lowry or worse. You're a Raptors fan. We've had plenty of high picks in the past that have failed to pan out as superstars and result in a winning team. In fact most of them have not.
Without the same talent and financial flexibility it is an apples to oranges comparison.
No it isn't. How did Indiana acquire that talent?