Didn't some of you come to an agreement a week or two ago that if Ujiri can sell pieces at a good price, tanking is ok? Now you are all arguing the same things again, the same people.
In the end, this draft is near certain to be ridiculous at the top. If Ujiri can position the team for a short 1 year tank, then we are talking about an entirely different scenario than the Bobcats or Kings or some other oompa loompa management projects. But that requires getting good assets back and unclogging the cap space.
No one is advocating selling Lowry or Gay or DeRozan for pennies on the dollar.
And no team I am aware of started a tank with JV-calibre 2nd year player already on the team. JV is the type of player teams are praying to get in the lottery. The Raptors already have him which significantly increases odds of getting another all-star talent.
If the last 10 years has had roughly 2 all star talents in top 5, you have a 40% chance to get one in any year. Hoping to get 2 takes you to 16% chance. Well, the Raptors already have 1. Probably a little simplistic but I would take 40% over a long run on the treadmill. If things don't work out then at the very least you can explore other options like trades with picks/prospects/cap space without having burdensome contracts.
Second, I never said "star". I said "good" pick, as in a good player relative to the position they're drafted in. You can still make a "good" pick with the #21 selection, without having "good" measured against the same expectations of what a "good" #3 pick would have placed on them.
Matt let me give you an analogy to help illustrate how incorrect what you said is.
In the part I bolded you said
That is like flipping a coin and getting heads, and then saying my chance of getting another heads has increased. No it hasn't. Your chance of getting TWO heads has gone up because you only had 1, but your chance of getting a heads on the next toss is exactly the same.JV is the type of player teams are praying to get in the lottery. The Raptors already have him which significantly increases odds of getting another all-star talent.
What he meant is that having Jonas increases odds of a successful rebuilding project, i.e. ending up with two foundational players.
No they did not, this is not up for debate and there's no room for discussion.
They were 59-23 the year before: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/1996.html and finished FIRST in the Western Conference
With a starting 5 of:
Avery Johnson (13ppg, 10apg)
Vinny Del negro (14.5ppg)
Sean Elliot (20ppg, 5rpg)
Charles Smith (10ppg, 6rpg)
David Robinson (25ppg, 12rpg)
That offseason (the offseason before the 96-97 season at the end of which they drafted TD), they tried to bolster their core even more. They brought back all 5 starters, while adding Vernon Maxwell (solid scorer off the bench at 13ppg) and Dominique Wilkins who despite being 37 had averaged 18ppg in 94-95 before missing 95-96 due to injury. They were set to try and make a deeper playoff run after losing to Utah, but The Admiral got injured in the preseason, and Sean Elliot missed over half the season due to injury. So basically their top two players were out.
Despite this, they did not trade A SINGLE key player, like you would expect a tanking team to do. Del Negro, Nique and Avery all played the entire season.
Their lack of depth and go-to scoring as a result of losing their two best players (this would be equivalent to the Thunder losing Durant and Westbrook last year and asking KMart and Ibaka to carry the load), resulted in them winning just 20 games and firing their coach Bob Hill after 18 games (why would they do this if they were tanking) to hire Pop.
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