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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    Man, don't compare yourself to Rondo lol
    Who said I was comparing? I was merely relating. You can't play basketball all too effectively with a dislocated shoulder. But I suppose if you're getting shots of adrenaline and such..
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Who said I was comparing? I was merely relating. You can't play basketball all too effectively with a dislocated shoulder. But I suppose if you're getting shots of adrenaline and such..

    Or just an total B.A.M.F. like Rondo.
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    This feels like a Band-Aid maneuver. We are not one all-star away from eastern conference finals. This moves would take away a lot of good draft picks (which MU seems good at utilizing) for a player that would just get us into the playoffs.

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    I like the deal, but I would hesitate on giving up first rounders. If it did go through, I think we would need a great 3pt threat on the floor even more. Also, it would be the first big move for MU indicating he is going to scrap BC's core, and would make us very thin at the wings. It wouldn't be a bad idea to move forward with JV and Rondo as the center pieces, but who else would you want to surround them with and how would you go about getting them? A Rondo acquisition would spell the end of either Rudy or Demar or both in a Raps uniform in my mind, and I would expect them to be moved for picks and expirings. It could certainly provide an opportunity to build a better team than we currently have, that's if you have any faith in Rondo of course, and if we could get a good return on Rudy and DD.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Nailed it.
    From Larry Coons FAQ, Q85:
    Yes, but when determining this, you ALWAYS look ONLY ahead, never back. So since the pick was traded in the past year, at this point we CAN trade our 2014 pick, even without having another pick. But we could not trade the 2014 and 2015 picks yet.

    From that same link you posted:
    The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2011-12 season, then a team can trade its 2012 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2011 pick, since their 2011 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2012 and 2013 picks, since both are future picks.

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    Quote BadDinosaur wrote: View Post
    No. KG didn't shoot threes and they won a chip. Amir and JV need to knock down their midrange looks and hopefully Gay and DeMar can improve on their threes. Otherwise Gay or Demar or both will be traded...
    They had Ray Allen and Paul Pierce on the wings... they didn't need their 4 to hit 3s.

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    Quote BadDinosaur wrote: View Post
    I think he might be thinking of someone like K. Love... but I still don't like it... it's not 2K here
    Or a guy like Ryan Anderson maybe?

    Kevin Love isn't the only stretch 4 in the league that actually rebounds

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    I love people on these threads some times. Sure, Id take Rondo (who btw would be our best player day one after joining the team), but I want to dump a historically bad contract in Fields and not trade a first rounder. Not happening people.

    A few things:
    - If we trade for Rondo, we are clearly not rebuilding .. so you should be less fussed about draft picks. That doesnt mean throw them away for no reason .. but you need to pick your path .. and a Rondo trade clearly picks the "win now path". By definition, that is likely to sacrifice the future
    - KL has nominal value (solid PG on reasonable contract .. but only signed through this year, so not a LT asset), LF has massively negative value. As a result, to get a deal done that includes those players, you will either have to take back negative value (Gerald Wallace?) or include some real value. Ross has some value, so thats a start .. but a 1st round pick would be a necessity. Maybe you could avoid a 2014 1st rounder .. but a first rounder for sure.
    - The other option would be someone like DD. Not sure how Boston would view him and his contract, but perhaps if you included him and took back Wallace, you could avoid a punitive draft pick.

    As to whether Id do this deal .. Im not sure. Im in the tanking camp where I would be trading at least one of RG or DD for whatever we can get and going all in on the 2014 draft pick + Val + Ross + whatever else if left on the roster.

    BUT, if we arent taking this path and we are trying to cobble together a winner with this team .. then a Rondo deal is a hell of a lot better than bits and pieces to finish 8th at best from my perspective .. even if it costs us a 1st rounder.

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    Quote BadDinosaur wrote: View Post
    No. KG didn't shoot threes and they won a chip. Amir and JV need to knock down their midrange looks and hopefully Gay and DeMar can improve on their threes. Otherwise Gay or Demar or both will be traded...
    Ya - i think this is the key with or without Rondo. Bottom line is that your 2/3 position HAVE to give you some three point shooting. Some of it can come from Ross / Novak off the bench .. but one way or the other, if both of DD/RG cant shoot threes to some degree, this isnt going to be a successful team. Obviously this would be even more magnified if the PG couldnt shoot either.
    I dont think the goal should be a stretch 4 (hey, if Ryan Anderson fell into our lap, Id take it, dont get me wrong) - but rather a 2 or 3 that can actually shoot 3s and gets major minutes. Im hoping that can be Ross ... but we will see

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    Quote BadDinosaur wrote: View Post
    First, I don't see him as being injury prone. It's not like he has a body made out of glass (Oden type), he just had some real injuries, that can happen to anybody accidentaly in basketball... and he's tough (played with that broken arm or whatever...)

    Second, he is one of the best passers, who really creates shots for others. There are very few point guards or overall players like that in the league - Nash, CP3, LeBron come to mind... and maybe another 2-3 players in the entire league! Other PGs just make the obvious situational passes and get their assists mostly by virtue of playing a lot of minutes alone.

    Third, he is REALLY elite when it comes to defending this position.

    I'd give away the package mentioned in this "rumor" in a heartbeat for Rondo.


    Oh, and I think Rondo would turn JV into an all-star like right away, considering how active JV is on those pick n' rolls and all...
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    Just for fun lets look at the proposed deal. Would you do it? I think most of us would depending on the picks going out. Here's what would work for me.

    To Raptors:
    Rajon Rondo

    To Celtics:
    Lowry
    Ross
    Fields
    Knicks 2016 1st rounder
    Future 2nd round pick

    This would be an amazing way to turn the haul we got for Bargs into Rondo. I'd imagine Boston would want us to add another 1st round pick to this deal, but with Rondo being hurt it's the perfect time to offer a slight low-ball like this. Being able to shed Fields deal is just icing on the cake. Being realistic I feel like Boston would rather just keep Rondo than accept a deal like this.
    The Celtics are clearly not doing this for Ross and Lowry. Those picks would be the key for them. So a Knicks 2016 first won't cut it. 2014 Raptors + 2016 Raptors or Knicks, that might be closer.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    The Celtics are clearly not doing this for Ross and Lowry. Those picks would be the key for them. So a Knicks 2016 first won't cut it. 2014 Raptors + 2016 Raptors or Knicks, that might be closer.
    We can't trade our 2014 pick unless we get another one from somewhere else.

    Maybe 2015 Raptors and 2016 Knicks/Nuggets. No way does Boston take on Fields when they already have a couple bad contracts on their team. If they did they'd probably ask us to take Wallace's longer and more crippling deal.

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    What if Rondo pulls an Alonzo Mourning?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    What if Rondo pulls an Alonzo Mourning?
    Really? Even I don't troll that hard..
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    What if Rondo pulls an Alonzo Mourning?
    Celtics fans would feel satisfaction for getting 3 players, couple draft picks for injury prone.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    The Celtics are clearly not doing this for Ross and Lowry. Those picks would be the key for them. So a Knicks 2016 first won't cut it. 2014 Raptors + 2016 Raptors or Knicks, that might be closer.
    I think you're right, they would want multiple 1st round picks, including our 2014, which I said as much in my post. I just think if there was ever a time to make a low ball offer for Rondo, it's now while he is injured and there is some uncertainty about how well he will play when he comes back. Still a pipe dream but it's the slow part of the offseason so we need something to talk about.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    What if Rondo pulls an Alonzo Mourning?
    We kill him.

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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    We kill him.
    Ouch.

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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
    Ouch.
    That's what Rondo would say
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    I would do this trade in an instant!

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