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    Default Could Matt Bonner return to the Raptors?

    Interesting post on Pounding The Rock about Matt Bonner. http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/...-and-thats-sad

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    I'm sure Bonner wouldn't choose to go out like that, but I think he will be fine with it. The man knows who he is. He will continue to work hard and be generally likable, fulfill his contract obligation and if it comes to it, exit San Antonio quietly. I know I'm probably in the minority but against all logic and reason I'd be okay if the Spurs re-sign him. Unfortunately I just don't see it happening considering his age and the Spurs' cap situation. Maybe he goes back to Toronto, where both he and his family feel at home. Maybe a contender adds him or he gets a nice contract from a middling team.

    Matt's a fan favourite still in Toronto - might be a fun idea as an end-of-bench guy.

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    Bonner would actually be a really good fit for the Raptors right now given that he's a decent bench-level stretch four. I can see them making a place for him as their fourth big.

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    Agreed. It would have to be only on a favourable contract... but conceivably a good fit.

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    same here. i think he just needs to stop forcing threes. i saw a couple of the SA playoff games and always seems to camp out on the three point line and is always waiting for passes where he can shoot the three. i think if he can shoot the three he should have a decent jumper so why not expand on that.

    but i wont mind signing him and the raptors probably wouldnt either, considering his abilities and well, he is canadian and a former raptor.

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    I love that Matt wants to be a Canadian citizen but that's not a good reason to make him a Raptor. He's got a decent salary but he's the prototypical role player. Will grab rebounds and shoot 3's.. but that's all. Since we already have Novak tied up for 3 years, and he's arguably better at his role than Matt is, I don't see the point.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    same here. i think he just needs to stop forcing threes. i saw a couple of the SA playoff games and always seems to camp out on the three point line and is always waiting for passes where he can shoot the three. i think if he can shoot the three he should have a decent jumper so why not expand on that.

    but i wont mind signing him and the raptors probably wouldnt either, considering his abilities and well, he is canadian and a former raptor.
    I'm sure Pop put him out there deliberately to space the floor for Parker/Manu to drive, and for Duncan to go to work. With the Spurs offence so well scripted I highly doubt that a player like Bonner is free to make his own decisions on where he wants to be on the court.

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    Don't think there's much need for Bonner here at the moment, with Novak already here.

    EDIT: Just saw planetmars' post saying the same thing.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I love that Matt wants to be a Canadian citizen but that's not a good reason to make him a Raptor. He's got a decent salary but he's the prototypical role player. Will grab rebounds and shoot 3's.. but that's all. Since we already have Novak tied up for 3 years, and he's arguably better at his role than Matt is, I don't see the point.
    Bonner is definitely better than Novak. Arguably equal as a floor spacer, but he's a much better rebounder and a better defender, at least in the post. I don't know how much of this is their respective systems, but even when teams try to iso against Bonner in the post, he does okay on tape and by the numbers, if I recall correctly (anyone with access to synergy want to double check that for me?). Novak seems to be the hotter name though so if Bonner could be signed and Novak re-shipped, that'd be a win for the Raptors, I think.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I love that Matt wants to be a Canadian citizen but that's not a good reason to make him a Raptor. He's got a decent salary but he's the prototypical role player. Will grab rebounds and shoot 3's.. but that's all. Since we already have Novak tied up for 3 years, and he's arguably better at his role than Matt is, I don't see the point.
    Agreed.

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    I'd love to see Bonner come back here. He's one of my favorite former Raptors. The guy brings full effort every game.

    He may not give you anything extraordinary but you know exactly what you're getting.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    I'm sure Pop put him out there deliberately to space the floor for Parker/Manu to drive, and for Duncan to go to work. With the Spurs offence so well scripted I highly doubt that a player like Bonner is free to make his own decisions on where he wants to be on the court.
    i agree. maybe just those times that i saw him he was forcing shots up.

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    I don't see how Novak and Bonner are similar. Being white and having a 3pt shot does not make them "the same". Matt's a much better defender....almost just because of his effort/energy level. He's a better rebounder. He's stronger physically. And he's not worse enough as a shooter to say that it gives Novak an advantage.

    I love Matt Bonner. He's a stretch 4 and a hustle big. Basically he's what Quincy Acy needs to become to have a long prosperous career.

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    Bonner is 34 next year.

    The only way I hope he comes back to Toronto is to fill the vacant position JYD left when he went to coach HS ball.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Bonner is 34 next year.

    The only way I hope he comes back to Toronto is to fill the vacant position JYD left when he went to coach HS ball.
    It's not like there was significant slippage in his play or physical ability. I mean, I don't think anyone expects he'd be more than a 3rd stringer, but I'd take him in that role over Novak, who can't defend, can't rebound, is paper thin, actually shot a worse 3% than Bonner last year, and is 31 years old. Bonner has been a reliable role player his whole career. Novak just got popular in the NY spotlight despite the fact that he's one of the most limited players in the league, which is why he never sticks anywhere. Also at this stage, Bonner would probably be cheaper, because Novak's contract is pretty bad, and only looks good to Toronto fans because we got him for Bargs.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    It's not like there was significant slippage in his play or physical ability. I mean, I don't think anyone expects he'd be more than a 3rd stringer, but I'd take him in that role over Novak, who can't defend, can't rebound, is paper thin, actually shot a worse 3% than Bonner last year, and is 31 years old. Bonner has been a reliable role player his whole career. Novak just got popular in the NY spotlight despite the fact that he's one of the most limited players in the league, which is why he never sticks anywhere. Also at this stage, Bonner would probably be cheaper, because Novak's contract is pretty bad, and only looks good to Toronto fans because we got him for Bargs.
    I'm not advocating Novak over Bonner
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'm not advocating Novak over Bonner
    I didn't think so, but it did sound like you were basically saying Bonner is washed up. I didn't see any indication of that in his play last year. He was not asked to contribute as much last year, but he was still perfectly capable of playing his role effectively.

    Novak I just threw out there because for some reason people think he and Bonner play the same role. Only partly on offense. Even Bonner tends to do a bit more than just shoot 3s...Novak has barely attempted 2 pointers in his career. 3 pters have made up 77 % of Novak's career FGAs. They've been 51% of Bonner's FGAs. It's not because Bonner goes rogue, or because Novak is such an amazing shooter he should never shoot other shots...it's because Novak is essentially useless in every single way on the basketball court other than shooting 3s. He's a really, really limited player.

    The difference between a guy like Bonner and a guy like Novak is that Bonner's general all around ability being better makes him valuable as a depth player who can step up and fill a bigger role, at least temporarily. Novak is basically incapable of being more than a 3rd stringer/specialist. I mean, if Amir and/or Hansbrough got injured, could you imagine the nightmare of Novak playing 25-30 minutes a night at PF? Or even at SF since I could probably cross him over with one hand tied behind my back (really not bragging about my ball skills here)?

    Novak is an awful player to depend on in your top 8, maybe even 9, again, in case you need a depth player to step into the rotation. Bonner can do that at least competently. That's why I think of Acy as hopefully being that type. If his shot keeps improving even just inside the 3 pt line, he's got the effort/energy level that you know he'll always be ready to play his hardest, and he's got just enough different skills to be useful in a variety of situations, even if he's more limited than whoever he'd be replacing.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I didn't think so, but it did sound like you were basically saying Bonner is washed up. I didn't see any indication of that in his play last year. He was not asked to contribute as much last year, but he was still perfectly capable of playing his role effectively.

    Novak I just threw out there because for some reason people think he and Bonner play the same role. Only partly on offense. Even Bonner tends to do a bit more than just shoot 3s...Novak has barely attempted 2 pointers in his career. 3 pters have made up 77 % of Novak's career FGAs. They've been 51% of Bonner's FGAs. It's not because Bonner goes rogue, or because Novak is such an amazing shooter he should never shoot other shots...it's because Novak is essentially useless in every single way on the basketball court other than shooting 3s. He's a really, really limited player.

    The difference between a guy like Bonner and a guy like Novak is that Bonner's general all around ability being better makes him valuable as a depth player who can step up and fill a bigger role, at least temporarily. Novak is basically incapable of being more than a 3rd stringer/specialist. I mean, if Amir and/or Hansbrough got injured, could you imagine the nightmare of Novak playing 25-30 minutes a night at PF? Or even at SF since I could probably cross him over with one hand tied behind my back (really not bragging about my ball skills here)?

    Novak is an awful player to depend on in your top 8, maybe even 9, again, in case you need a depth player to step into the rotation. Bonner can do that at least competently. That's why I think of Acy as hopefully being that type. If his shot keeps improving even just inside the 3 pt line, he's got the effort/energy level that you know he'll always be ready to play his hardest, and he's got just enough different skills to be useful in a variety of situations, even if he's more limited than whoever he'd be replacing.
    I didn't even think of him being washed up.

    I was thinking more along the lines of he is 34 at the end of next season.

    The Raptors are still a couple of seasons from competing if they stick with current core.

    If they blow it up they are 3 seasons (minimum) from competing assuming an all-star talent comes their way in the draft.

    Nothing against the Red Rocket I just don't see him as a useful at 36/37/38. I could be very wrong though and it wouldn't be the first time.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I didn't even think of him being washed up.

    I was thinking more along the lines of he is 34 at the end of next season.

    The Raptors are still a couple of seasons from competing if they stick with current core.

    If they blow it up they are 3 seasons (minimum) from competing assuming an all-star talent comes their way in the draft.

    Nothing against the Red Rocket I just don't see him as a useful at 36/37/38. I could be very wrong though and it wouldn't be the first time.
    Why isn't Bonner a good piece to have in any situation though? Why do you have to be competing for it to make sense to acquire him? Because of his age? Just because they might rebuild, it doesn't mean every player on the team has to be a young guy. And in fact, lacking veterans who bring professionalism and effort every game can help create an awful environment for developing guys. I mean, I don't think they should go after him, since they have no room at PF, but if they did have a hole he's a pretty good piece to slot in both as a player (a deep bench player) and a very high-character guy who'd be good for the program.

    Shit, this is why I'm not that convinced Cleveland is going anywhere special. When you watch them play, they play like a bunch of young, talented guys who want to prove themselves as NBAers, or prove that they can be/become stars more than they want to sacrifice, be coached properly, and learn how to win as a team. They don't need to stack their team with vets, but there's no accountability, no leadership, no professionalism, no chemistry...One could say they've managed their team well in accumulating talent and managing their assets, but I can't say that their program is definitely heading in the right direction. They'd really need to show a big step forward this year to convince me of that, and not just in the win column, but also in how they play. I also think their program took a step backwards replacing Byron Scott with Mike Brown.

    Of course, for Toronto as currently constructed, Acy is the best of both worlds. For the most part, he plays like a vet, or at least someone who'll be playing like a 10 year vet by his 3rd or 4th season. Knows his limitations, is an excellent teammate and locker room character, is coachable, and so he knows how to have an impact playing within such limitations and within the system....but also he's young enough that maybe he has some room to grow skills a little bit. He clearly cares about winning and his team more than about his stats and himself, so he'll have a positive impact on other young players and the development program in general.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Why isn't Bonner a good piece to have in any situation though? Why do you have to be competing for it to make sense to acquire him? Because of his age? Just because they might rebuild, it doesn't mean every player on the team has to be a young guy. And in fact, lacking veterans who bring professionalism and effort every game can help create an awful environment for developing guys. I mean, I don't think they should go after him, since they have no room at PF, but if they did have a hole he's a pretty good piece to slot in both as a player (a deep bench player) and a very high-character guy who'd be good for the program.

    Shit, this is why I'm not that convinced Cleveland is going anywhere special. When you watch them play, they play like a bunch of young, talented guys who want to prove themselves as NBAers, or prove that they can be/become stars more than they want to sacrifice, be coached properly, and learn how to win as a team. They don't need to stack their team with vets, but there's no accountability, no leadership, no professionalism, no chemistry...One could say they've managed their team well in accumulating talent and managing their assets, but I can't say that their program is definitely heading in the right direction. They'd really need to show a big step forward this year to convince me of that, and not just in the win column, but also in how they play. I also think their program took a step backwards replacing Byron Scott with Mike Brown.

    Of course, for Toronto as currently constructed, Acy is the best of both worlds. For the most part, he plays like a vet, or at least someone who'll be playing like a 10 year vet by his 3rd or 4th season. Knows his limitations, is an excellent teammate and locker room character, is coachable, and so he knows how to have an impact playing within such limitations and within the system....but also he's young enough that maybe he has some room to grow skills a little bit. He clearly cares about winning and his team more than about his stats and himself, so he'll have a positive impact on other young players and the development program in general.
    My opinion is based on Ujiri's shown philosophy to have projects at the end of the bench rather than established, older, and possibly declining veterans.

    One thing the Raptors have going for them is young veterans who appear to be very professional (Amir, DD, Gay). IN addition they have JV who by all accounts lives and breathes basketball striving to be his best and listen to his coaches.

    I don't see a Blatche, McGee, Young under Arenas-like situation brewing in Toronto.
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