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    Default SI's Eastern Conference Rankings - Raps 10th

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...3_a2&eref=sihp

    10. Toronto Raptors: New general manager Masai Ujiri's thoughts on this season, per the Toronto Star: "We might have to let this thing sit, let it ride and see what you have." Indeed, Toronto didn't do much in Ujiri's first few months on the job, save for signing Hansbrough and a few other free agents to modest deals, trading Bargnani and amnestying Linas Kleiza. Second-year center Jonas Valanciunas remains an impressive prospect, and Kyle Lowry (who is in a contract year), DeMar DeRozan and Rudy Gay are quality starters. But the Raptors are perilously thin and coach Dwane Casey will need to fix a defense that declined significantly in his second season. Toronto will be challenged to end a five-year playoff drought.

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    Bobcats
    Magic
    76ers

    And of course, your weekly Bargnani reference:
    5. New York Knicks: By acquiring Andrea Bargnani in a questionable trade that cost them a first-round pick and two second-round picks, the Knicks are going all in on Melo Ball. Bargnani is a floor-spacing shooter who will draw big defenders away from the basket, freeing up more room for Carmelo Anthony to operate. What he doesn't do is help a defense that deteriorated significantly after the first month of last season. New York's best chance to challenge the conference elite is if Amar'e Stoudemire can come back healthy and give the lineup offensive balance. But who wants to put their money on that darkhorse?



    Fair rankings?

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    Fair enough, although, I couldn't tell if the part about the GM doing relatively Little was sarcasm or not, I mean, really, he's done a shit load since being here, SI forgot that he overhauled the entire staff and scouts except for the coach. Add that to cutting lose a ton of guys and adding a ton, trading AB....jesus man, he's been crazy busy, as has TL.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Fair enough, although, I couldn't tell if the part about the GM doing relatively Little was sarcasm or not, I mean, really, he's done a shit load since being here, SI forgot that he overhauled the entire staff and scouts except for the coach. Add that to cutting lose a ton of guys and adding a ton, trading AB....jesus man, he's been crazy busy, as has TL.
    I think he's referring to the roster moves were nothing major. We bring back our entire starting 5 and the only rotational guy added in Hansborough. Not sure they put much emphasis on the unproven guys we are hoping to produce (Buycks for example).

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    ok, I just emailed Chris Mannix...had to, had to ask if he was being sarcastic...10th is fair, but jesus, "toronto has done relatively nothing in the off season".

    What THA FUCK!

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    ya i think so too...but I liked bugging him anyhow, I actually think the managerial moves and the admin moves (scouting etc) were every bit as important...too important to ignore really.

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    I think ESPN had us around the same spot, but the thing that bugs me about these rankings, is that they have the Raptors at 33-49. Which had us getting worse from last year. I just don't see that happening.
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    I think it's fair. 10th is reasonable. Personally I wish it was 15th...but what can ya do

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Personally I wish it was 15th...but what can ya do
    Well if we're wishing for positions, why not wish for 1st? Seems odd.. Lol
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    100% because I want a Canadian Superstar, playing in Canada.

    I hope TL does EVERYTHING in his power to get Wiggans. Lie, cheat, steal. The NBA needs Wiggans in Canada.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I think ESPN had us around the same spot, but the thing that bugs me about these rankings, is that they have the Raptors at 33-49. Which had us getting worse from last year. I just don't see that happening.
    I remember being so angry at Hollinger last year with 33 wins predicted. We showed him! *jk*

    I guess they are looking at the rest of the league and thinking the Raptors did not improve as much as others or, more likely, they think a sell-off is coming sooner than later.
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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    100% because I want a Canadian Superstar, playing in Canada.

    I hope TL does EVERYTHING in his power to get Wiggans. Lie, cheat, steal. The NBA needs Wiggans in Canada.
    Do you feel NBA in Canada? I'm not.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I remember being so angry at Hollinger last year with 33 wins predicted. We showed him! *jk*

    I guess they are looking at the rest of the league and thinking the Raptors did not improve as much as others or, more likely, they think a sell-off is coming sooner than later.
    I think you hit the nail on the head here. Pistons, Cavs and Wizards all pushing for (and in this article 'making') the playoffs while only the Celtics and Bucks dropped below the Raps.

    I think the Raps if healthy, are 7th best. If injuries mount up, I could see us easily being down just ahead of the Magic and 76ers. Most likely, something in between will happen, therefore 10th seems reasonable.

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    not sure I understand your post..come again?

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    ESPN had them at 10th as well:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...east-standings

    The pessimism is most likely due to the fact that Toronto did not get any major talent in the offseason (no high draft picks, no key free agents) and other teams did. Organic growth should signify some improvement but they usually don't use that when coming up with mock standings.

    Since ESPN actually had records beside each team, I wanted to see what the 'lottery' projection would have looked like.

    14. Dallas - 39-43
    13. Portland/Detroit - 38-44
    11. NOLA - 37-45
    10. LA - 36-46
    9. Toronto - 33-49
    8. Milwaukee - 31-51
    7. Utah - 32-50
    6. Sacramento - 30-52
    5. Boston - 29-53
    4. Charlotte 26-56
    3. Orlando 24-58
    2. Phoenix - 22-60
    1. Philly - 20-62


    So how would tankers feel about getting 9th in the lottery?

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    ESPN had them at 10th as well:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...east-standings

    The pessimism is most likely due to the fact that Toronto did not get any major talent in the offseason (no high draft picks, no key free agents) and other teams did. Organic growth should signify some improvement but they usually don't use that when coming up with mock standings.

    Since ESPN actually had records beside each team, I wanted to see what the 'lottery' projection would have looked like.

    14. Dallas - 39-43
    13. Portland/Detroit - 38-44
    11. NOLA - 37-45
    10. LA - 36-46
    9. Toronto - 33-49
    8. Milwaukee - 31-51
    7. Utah - 32-50
    6. Sacramento - 30-52
    5. Boston - 29-53
    4. Charlotte 26-56
    3. Orlando 24-58
    2. Phoenix - 22-60
    1. Philly - 20-62


    So how would tankers feel about getting 9th in the lottery?
    9th is ok, but it just shows how close we are to the top 5 range anyway. All the more reason to pull the trigger imo.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    ESPN had them at 10th as well:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...east-standings

    The pessimism is most likely due to the fact that Toronto did not get any major talent in the offseason (no high draft picks, no key free agents) and other teams did. Organic growth should signify some improvement but they usually don't use that when coming up with mock standings.

    Since ESPN actually had records beside each team, I wanted to see what the 'lottery' projection would have looked like.

    14. Dallas - 39-43
    13. Portland/Detroit - 38-44
    11. NOLA - 37-45
    10. LA - 36-46
    9. Toronto - 33-49
    8. Milwaukee - 31-51
    7. Utah - 32-50
    6. Sacramento - 30-52
    5. Boston - 29-53
    4. Charlotte 26-56
    3. Orlando 24-58
    2. Phoenix - 22-60
    1. Philly - 20-62


    So how would tankers feel about getting 9th in the lottery?
    I'd be pretty pissed.

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    9th is ok, but it just shows how close we are to the top 5 range anyway. All the more reason to pull the trigger imo.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    9th is ok, but it just shows how close we are to the top 5 range anyway. All the more reason to pull the trigger imo.
    I don't reallly agree with this. I think there's a bigger gap here than what's being indicated.

    Toronto is in a group with Cleveland, Washington, Atlanta and Detroit out East. And maybe teams like Portland, NOLA, LA and Dallas out west (in terms of wins).

    These teams are all quite a lot better than Milwaukee, Utah, Sacramento, Boston, Charlotte, Orlando, Philly and Phoenix. Even dumping Gay might not make us as bad as those teams are.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I remember being so angry at Hollinger last year with 33 wins predicted. We showed him! *jk*

    I guess they are looking at the rest of the league and thinking the Raptors did not improve as much as others or, more likely, they think a sell-off is coming sooner than later.
    I'll go back to something I've been saying for a long time around here: you can't rely on guys to post career numbers in order to succeed.

    If you look at the Raps, a lot of people last year were upbeat because they anticipated a guy like Derozan improving and a guy like Lowry excelling in a new role (and a few were even excited about Bargs). Yet, you look at their numbers last year vs. their career numbers, they are pretty much right in line across the board. Guys basically are what they are. Now I know people will say "look at Amir!". And they're right, he did improve materially. But the point is not that it never happens, the point is that you can't count on it happening.

    I hope that Gay and Lowry and Derozan all have career years and Val breaks out. It would be awesome. They'd have a decent team and make the playoffs. But when you're counting on all of that happening you have no margin for error.

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    I still think the Raptors have the edge over the wizards and the cavs(unless Bynum is 100% healthy).

    And the Nets and Knicks could be one injury away from missing the playoffs.

    Assuming every Raptor is healthy till the end of the season.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    I still think the Raptors have the edge over the wizards and the cavs(unless Bynum is 100% healthy).

    And the Nets and Knicks could be one injury away from missing the playoffs.

    Assuming every Raptor is healthy till the end of the season.
    If John Wall is healthy, then the Wizards are likely better than the Raps. John Wall being healthy is a big if though.

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