Btw would anyone mind taking a look at Augustin's defensive stats and see if he is as bad as I think he is. I'm not quite sure where you have to go to find those advanced stats. Also I don't quite understand how you read it so you can tell if the player is above average or below.
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GLF wrote: View PostI'm not quite sure where you have to go to find those advanced stats.
http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats....&gp=40&mins=10
By comparison, Lowry's rating was 2.2. near the top of the league, just ahead of Russell Westbrook and just behind Jrue Holiday.
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caccia wrote: View PostHis defensive rating, 0.63, ranks almost at the bottom of the league. See
http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats....&gp=40&mins=10
By comparison, Lowry's rating was 2.2. near the top of the league, just ahead of Russell Westbrook and just behind Jrue Holiday.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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caccia wrote: View PostHis defensive rating, 0.63, ranks almost at the bottom of the league. See
http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats....&gp=40&mins=10
By comparison, Lowry's rating was 2.2. near the top of the league, just ahead of Russell Westbrook and just behind Jrue Holiday.
Or, if you prefer argument by example: Bruce Bowen would have ranked right near the bottom of the league every year in BLK+STL+CHG, and he was a consistent all-NBA defender. George Hill is pretty well regarded as a defender, but by BLK+STL+CHG he's below average.
Augustin's defensive rating last season was actually 104, a little worse than starter George Hill's 102. He averaged 0.039 defensive win shares per 48, which is a bit below the average of 0.050, but not horrible.
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tkfu wrote: View PostThat's not defensive rating. That's just blocks+steals+charges taken per game. I'm not gonna praise Augustin's defense here, but you can't compare per-game numbers between starters and backups--of course the starters' numbers will be bigger; they play more than double the minutes. And on top of that, BLK+STL+CHG is a stupid way to measure defense. It tells you who gambles. Indy's defense requires the PG to stay home and not go for steals; of course his steal numbers are gonna be low. It also asks perimeter defenders to funnel drives into help D, which you do by shading to one side rather than being straight-up in front where you could potentially take a charge. (And as for blocks, well, he's short. Of course he ain't getting blocks.)
Or, if you prefer argument by example: Bruce Bowen would have ranked right near the bottom of the league every year in BLK+STL+CHG, and he was a consistent all-NBA defender. George Hill is pretty well regarded as a defender, but by BLK+STL+CHG he's below average.
Augustin's defensive rating last season was actually 104, a little worse than starter George Hill's 102. He averaged 0.039 defensive win shares per 48, which is a bit below the average of 0.050, but not horrible.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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GLF wrote: View PostWould you mind telling me how his defense ranks against Jose and John Lucas if you don't mind? Also is he considered an average defender from the stats you showed or is he considered a little below average?
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tkfu wrote: View PostThat's not defensive rating. That's just blocks+steals+charges taken per game.
Augustin often loses his man because he does not fight through screens well. He got better at it as the season wore on, though. He is also not very good at defending the three, due to his height.
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caccia wrote: View PostHis defensive rating, 0.63, ranks almost at the bottom of the league. See
http://www.hoopdata.com/defrebstats....&gp=40&mins=10
By comparison, Lowry's rating was 2.2. near the top of the league, just ahead of Russell Westbrook and just behind Jrue Holiday.
Interestingly enough, Rudy Gay is ranked twice, once with Mem and once with Tor. He played better defence in Toronto, coming in at #45 out of 483 rankings.
Jose comes in at #335 for TO, but he improved to #190 for Detroit.
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Getting rid of Bargnani without taking back something equally cumbersome gets you at least a B+. The writer was a bit generous, but pretty insightful in valuing how important a 'subtraction move' could be for this franchise. Props to him.
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Nice article
I think it captures perfectly how getting MU and getting rid of Bargs is a way bigger deal than a lot of pundits make it out to be. Not to mention the bit where he says this team can be good sooner than people think which i wholeheartedly agree with.@sweatpantsjer
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