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    We need more Simpsons-themed avatars up in this bizatch!
    I'll be sure to switch it up every now and then..... there's just too many good characters out there.

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    Quote Mundy wrote: View Post
    I'll be sure to switch it up every now and then..... there's just too many good characters out there.

    ....in fact, next time you see me post there may be something new.
    Haha nice. Mine was feeling a little stale too....
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    I just saw a recent pic of Lowry and dude looks SKINNY now.

    http://instagram.com/p/bvPMwXo48d/#

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I just saw a recent pic of Lowry and dude looks SKINNY now.

    http://instagram.com/p/bvPMwXo48d/#
    Must be that damn stomach virus going around....

    Hope his motivation isn't solely based on a contract year.
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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    I think this is because meaningful production rarely changes after a few years.

    Players can change (positively or negatively) but the rate of change (particularily to the positive as this is what we tend to be more concerned with) decreases dramatically at a certain point.

    This is both minutes based (ie. assuming someone has a decent sample size, there change in production from 20 minutes per game to 36 minutes per game is usually marginal on a per minutes basis) and seasons based. What does tend to offer significant change in production is role (usage, position etc) and ofcourse injuries.

    I think Amir is a great example. His per minutes and % based numbers are very similar from his first year in Toronto (5th year in the NBA, but only 3rd year with any minutes of significance) and last season. Even though he is believed to be a very hard worker, saw a lot more floor time per game, and gained much more experience, all of which should conceivably impact his production we see very little change. The only season with a noteable change (and it should be noted the change is not exactly of a significant magnitude - ie. he didn't go from a good player to a bad player, but rather from a good player to a less good player) is in 2011/12 where he played a larger number of minutes as a C than his more traditional PF position.

    Just a quick simple view using the 3 most common advanced stats (2009/10 to 2012/13)

    PER - 16.7, 17.6, 14.4, 17.3
    WS/48 - .150, .146, .122, .151
    WP/48 - .198, .192, .188, .216

    Those are very narrow ranges of change over time, particularily if we account for his role/position change (ie. more C) in 2010/11
    I'm not disagreeing with the above, but it is also about the other guys in the league, it's not like they aren't working out. Things are relative as well, Lowry may be working harder this offseason compared to what he normally does, but there are tons of guys in the league who work out like crazy every offseason. Also, is he working smarter, or just harder? To what extent will his hard work translate into production on the court, is it possible that others could work less-hard but have better results? and of course everything else that was mentioned above.

    Obviously it's much better to hear that he's "working out like crazy" as opposed to "eating out like crazy", but I'm sure every team has at LEAST one or two guys who hardcore fans are talking about in the same way. At the end of the day it just evens out.
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    Sure Novak's a great shooter, but it doesn't help that I could probably play better defense than him. I hope he worked on things other than shooting this offseason, like mobility and such.

    IMO he should play a Matt Bonner type role on this team. Not a consistent rotation guy, but a situational guy. Sit on the bench for three and a half quarters, and then come in if we need instant offense.

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    I dont care about his defense as long as he hits some big 3s for us. Thats what you want from Novak after all

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Must be that damn stomach virus going around....

    Hope his motivation isn't solely based on a contract year.
    I dont think Lowry falls under those "contract year" type players.

    He's actually produced and even steadily improved year after year. He's always been an aggressive guy so i dont think he's doing things more of now just because its a contract year.

    I do hope he improves his FG%.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    I dont think Lowry falls under those "contract year" type players.

    He's actually produced and even steadily improved year after year. He's always been an aggressive guy so i dont think he's doing things more of now just because its a contract year.

    I do hope he improves his FG%.
    I feel like the one thing that will forsure improve is his assists and assist rate. I could see him averaging 8 a game.

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    klow will always be a husky bitch, it's his body type. But he does look much better than last season in that photo.

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    More from Hoopsworld:

    10 Contract-Year Players To Watch

    Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors

    When Lowry has been healthy in recent years, he has filled the stat sheet and looked like one of the better point guards in the league. He’s capable of making an impact on both ends of the court and affecting the game in a variety of ways. However, the time that he has been healthy has been limited over the last few years. Last season, he played in 68 games, but was hobbled and playing through pain for much of the year. If he can get back to 100 percent and stay there, he could be poised for a huge season. Surrounded by weapons like Rudy Gay, Jonas Valanciunas and DeMar DeRozan among others, this is one of the better supporting casts that Lowry has played with during his career and that could mean some nice numbers from the 27-year-old point guard. A healthy, breakout season could lead to a big payday for Lowry when he becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer (if teams are willing to look past his history of butting heads with coaches).
    Interesting point in bold that I hadn't previously thought of.. team cohesiveness is unbelievably important this year.
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    You gotta look at it from Lowry's perspective. If he can't make this team work, his career in the nba is done. He already has a reputation for not listening to coaches and doing his own thing. He's not that much of a team player.

    Now he's in a situation where even DC has to rely on him. It's this, or nothing; rise or fall.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    You gotta look at it from Lowry's perspective. If he can't make this team work, his career in the nba is done. He already has a reputation for not listening to coaches and doing his own thing. He's not that much of a team player.

    Now he's in a situation where even DC has to rely on him. It's this, or nothing; rise or fall.
    He won't be done in the NBA.

    His career as a starter will be done.

    But Jarrett Jack has shown a nice career can be made accepting a backup role - and excelling.
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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    You gotta look at it from Lowry's perspective. If he can't make this team work, his career in the nba is done. He already has a reputation for not listening to coaches and doing his own thing. He's not that much of a team player.

    Now he's in a situation where even DC has to rely on him. It's this, or nothing; rise or fall.
    Not NBA career more like NBA starter.
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