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Every year there's stories about guys working in the offseason, rarely have I seen much difference in on court production."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostIt's not realistic to expect Gay to increase his efficiency to the levels that LBJ got them to after working with Hakeem, but a more efficient Gay is a really, really good thing. The Raptors would benefit greatly from a legit mid post scoring threat. Wonder if this is why he is reportedly bulking up. Now...who is he going to be passing out of the post to for easy 3's?
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI actually think Novak will get some good burn off the bench. A quick-hit assassin in the mold of Dell Curry. Only plays 15-20mpg at most, but while he's on the floor, a lot of sets are run to get him open looks."This just in........ THE RAPTORS ARE AMAZING!"
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ezz_bee wrote: View PostEvery year there's stories about guys working in the offseason, rarely have I seen much difference in on court production.
Players can change (positively or negatively) but the rate of change (particularily to the positive as this is what we tend to be more concerned with) decreases dramatically at a certain point.
This is both minutes based (ie. assuming someone has a decent sample size, there change in production from 20 minutes per game to 36 minutes per game is usually marginal on a per minutes basis) and seasons based. What does tend to offer significant change in production is role (usage, position etc) and ofcourse injuries.
I think Amir is a great example. His per minutes and % based numbers are very similar from his first year in Toronto (5th year in the NBA, but only 3rd year with any minutes of significance) and last season. Even though he is believed to be a very hard worker, saw a lot more floor time per game, and gained much more experience, all of which should conceivably impact his production we see very little change. The only season with a noteable change (and it should be noted the change is not exactly of a significant magnitude - ie. he didn't go from a good player to a bad player, but rather from a good player to a less good player) is in 2011/12 where he played a larger number of minutes as a C than his more traditional PF position.
Just a quick simple view using the 3 most common advanced stats (2009/10 to 2012/13)
PER - 16.7, 17.6, 14.4, 17.3
WS/48 - .150, .146, .122, .151
WP/48 - .198, .192, .188, .216
Those are very narrow ranges of change over time, particularily if we account for his role/position change (ie. more C) in 2010/11
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI actually think Novak will get some good burn off the bench. A quick-hit assassin in the mold of Dell Curry. Only plays 15-20mpg at most, but while he's on the floor, a lot of sets are run to get him open looks.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostWe need more Simpsons-themed avatars up in this bizatch!
....in fact, next time you see me post there may be something new."This just in........ THE RAPTORS ARE AMAZING!"
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thead wrote: View Post
Hope his motivation isn't solely based on a contract year.
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Craiger wrote: View PostI think this is because meaningful production rarely changes after a few years.
Players can change (positively or negatively) but the rate of change (particularily to the positive as this is what we tend to be more concerned with) decreases dramatically at a certain point.
This is both minutes based (ie. assuming someone has a decent sample size, there change in production from 20 minutes per game to 36 minutes per game is usually marginal on a per minutes basis) and seasons based. What does tend to offer significant change in production is role (usage, position etc) and ofcourse injuries.
I think Amir is a great example. His per minutes and % based numbers are very similar from his first year in Toronto (5th year in the NBA, but only 3rd year with any minutes of significance) and last season. Even though he is believed to be a very hard worker, saw a lot more floor time per game, and gained much more experience, all of which should conceivably impact his production we see very little change. The only season with a noteable change (and it should be noted the change is not exactly of a significant magnitude - ie. he didn't go from a good player to a bad player, but rather from a good player to a less good player) is in 2011/12 where he played a larger number of minutes as a C than his more traditional PF position.
Just a quick simple view using the 3 most common advanced stats (2009/10 to 2012/13)
PER - 16.7, 17.6, 14.4, 17.3
WS/48 - .150, .146, .122, .151
WP/48 - .198, .192, .188, .216
Those are very narrow ranges of change over time, particularily if we account for his role/position change (ie. more C) in 2010/11
Obviously it's much better to hear that he's "working out like crazy" as opposed to "eating out like crazy", but I'm sure every team has at LEAST one or two guys who hardcore fans are talking about in the same way. At the end of the day it just evens out."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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