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    For me world wars are a lot more difficult now a days. The big corporations won't want them. If you take China for an example. A war with America immediately costs them their bonds investment and anything else the government owns in America. The Chinese love money and hate losing it.
    The U.S. is not the center of the universe. They've pulled trillions of dollars out of thin air. They devalue those bonds daily by paying off debt with more debt; printing money which they pay interest on and it all backed by nothing. China should already know that it's a foregone conclusion that they will not get most of their money back. Meanwhile they're invested elsewhere in real commodities, like gold, and are moving away from U.S. relations in many ways.

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    Should there be punishment, yes but That's why we have the UN and we give 6 companion countries military veto power to prevent one country from trying to police the entire world as they see fit.
    The U.N. clearly has little power. The U.S. have gone against their U.N. bond multiple times now and they're moving towards doing it again. They do try to police the world. They have money to spend on countless wars while their economy is in shambles. Their own citizens don't even want these wars.

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    Absolutely right... Last example of U.S. trying get some oil was war with Iraq!
    Except the Chinese got most of it....

    Still not sure what the point of bombing Syria is. Why the US wants to turn itself into Al Qaeda's air force makes no sense to me. If it's about the regional allies, well, if the Saudis want to fight their proxy war with Iran in Syria they can go ahead and knock themselves out. The Israelis can help. Leave us out of it.

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    Syria's position:
    Syria's foreign minister challenged the Obama administration and its allies on Tuesday to "produce the evidence" showing Bashar Assad's government was behind a chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus last week, saying the information available on which side was behind the deadly attack provided a "weak and inaccurate" case for military intervention from the West.

    Walid Muallem said he was holding the televised news conference in Damascus to inform the American public that the Obama administration's assertion that there could be "little doubt" the Assad regime was behind the apparent chemical attack in the eastern Ghouta suburbs of Damascus "is completely wrong."
    President Assad's government denied involvement from the outset, however, suggesting the rebels were behind the use of chemical agents in Ghouta. On Saturday, Syrian state TV broadcast images of what the government claims were chemical agents discovered by soldiers in tunnels used by rebel forces in the suburbs.
    America's position:
    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday there was "undeniable" evidence of a large-scale chemical weapons attack in the Ghouta area, with intelligence strongly pointing to Assad's government.
    A senior Obama administration official told CBS News over the weekend that the U.S. intelligence community had based its assessment given to the White House, claiming Assad regime was responsible for the attack, on "the reported number of victims, reported symptoms of those who were killed or injured," and witness accounts.
    According to various chemical weapons and security analysts, the strongest evidence pointing to the attack having been carried out by Assad's forces is the sheer scale of the casualty toll and the area involved. Few believe the discordant rebel factions on the ground in Syria possess the weapons, delivery systems or expertise required to launch a large-scale chemical attack.
    Source: CBS

    So basically Syria is saying they didn't do it and there is no evidence contrary. They think the rebels are to blame and the rebels were shooting at the inspectors.

    The U.S. is saying that the proof is merely in the size of the attack, supported by experts not willing to give their names... Am I misreading this or does this make no sense?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Syria's position:


    America's position:




    Source: CBS

    So basically Syria is saying they didn't do it and there is no evidence contrary. They think the rebels are to blame and the rebels were shooting at the inspectors.

    The U.S. is saying that the proof is merely in the size of the attack, supported by experts not willing to give their names... Am I misreading this or does this make no sense?
    It does not make any sense, Syrians are right, give the evidence, make it public, like it's TOP SECRET or something right now, what's the point to keep them in secret if world is asking to make them public. U.S is losing their credibility for me, they basically lost it after Snowden event. I don't believe U.S will attack Syria without real of fabricated proofs.

    Concerning the chemical weapon possesion by rebels, what's the big deal about it? Black market, Russians, terorists, U.S itself could have done that I'm not conspiracy guy, but this does not even sound crazy. Many sides could be interested in causing the war, I don't think Syrian gov is so stupid to sabotage themselves by randomly using chemical weapons on their own citizens. Does not make any sense.
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    makes no sense but the longer the people are looking at how evil syria is the less they are remembering the nsa is spying on them.
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    Cooler heads sound to be prevailing in the U.K.

    They're going to do it the legal, and rational way: through parliamentary debate, through democracy. Then and only then will they determine what actions to take. This is how Canada must handle this as well.

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    Amazing! UK parliament voted against military action! They'll act accordingly.

    If Syria gov. is guilty, I hope they'll receive some kind serious response but not military related. There are ways how to harm Syria's gov. without military action.

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    Cooler heads sound to be prevailing in the U.K.

    They're going to do it the legal, and rational way: through parliamentary debate, through democracy. Then and only then will they determine what actions to take. This is how Canada must handle this as well.
    This is how every country should handle... Sadly not every country can.

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    The U.S. can't? Their constitution and bill of rights suggests they have to. The President simply chooses to ignore it and no elected official chooses to block him.

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    Amazing! UK parliament voted against military action! They'll act accordingly.

    If Syria gov. is guilty, I hope they'll receive some kind serious response but not military related. There are ways how to harm Syria's gov. without military action.
    I agree. If it is the Syrian government, America's love bombs delivered by drones is going to kill a lot of innocent people. I'm not sure how they should handle this whole nightmare but I hope it's not through killing a bunch of people. Killing a bunch of innocent people does not sound like the right way to handle a event where a bunch of innocent people were killed...

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The U.S. can't? Their constitution and bill of rights suggests they have to. The President simply chooses to ignore it and no elected official chooses to block him.



    I agree. If it is the Syrian government, America's love bombs delivered by drones is going to kill a lot of innocent people. I'm not sure how they should handle this whole nightmare but I hope it's not through killing a bunch of people. Killing a bunch of innocent people does not sound like the right way to handle a event where a bunch of innocent people were killed...
    I feel like U.S. already decided to launch an attack on Syria. France also backs them up. (no surprise) Russia confirmed that U.S. doesn't show the intelligence they gathered. ( WTF? ) More and more it looks like U.S. 's real target is Iran, not Syria.

    Every country should find the way how to work this out .Put the political and diplomatic pressure on Assad and HELP SYRIAN PEOPLE. That's what they need, they need help, no more innocent victims..
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    Assad's son facebook post. Confident dude.


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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
    I feel like U.S. already decided to launch an attack on Syria. France also backs them up. (no surprise) Russia confirmed that U.S. doesn't show the intelligence they gathered. ( WTF? ) More and more it looks like U.S. 's real target is Iran, not Syria.

    Every country should find the way how to work this out .Put the political and diplomatic pressure on Assad and HELP SYRIAN PEOPLE. That's what they need, they need help, no more innocent victims..
    Their congress is against it. The people are against it. He's not even legally allowed to launch it. I don't think it happens now.

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    John Kerry is telling that at least 426 childrens were killed during this chemical attack.... omg.

    "Syrian regime was preparing for chemical weapons' use three days before attack."
    Last edited by rocwell; Fri Aug 30th, 2013 at 01:09 PM.

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    Default Stop, investigate, think, discuss, then act accordingly:

    Where's his proof? Hearsay statements are not evidence. People still remember the farce that happened in Iraq and all the needless death due to the WMD "proof". They need to show this evidence because otherwise people are not going to believe this. This is not 2003, the U.S. government has lost a lot of credibility since then.

    Google what Ron and Rand Paul are saying about all this. If they go in there to bomb, there are Russian troops on the ground already, and if they bomb the wrong place and kill Russian troops that will trigger a massive war, probably WWIII; Russia would have no choice but to retaliate.

    Like Ron Paul says, the right thing is to investigate, find out what really happened and put that out there for all to see; to show the evidence and only then determine what is right to do. America isn't at threat, neither is the U.K, France, Canada, etc.

    Kerry is out there daily trying to incite rage to sway public opinion or that's what it appears as because he's not bringing anything real to the table. Nothing that he can or is willing to backup with evidence anyway. Based on everything I've read it seems like it's the rebels, not the Syrian government. Maybe the U.N. should be focused on ending the civil war in Syria and maybe America should be supporting such an effort. Then they can bring who's to blame to justice through the international courts.

    If vigilante justice is not ok for the people, why is it ok for those they elect to represent them?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Where's his proof? Hearsay statements are not evidence. People still remember the farce that happened in Iraq and all the needless death due to the WMD "proof". They need to show this evidence because otherwise people are not going to believe this. This is not 2003, the U.S. government has lost a lot of credibility since then.
    White House announced attack assessment - http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of...pons-august-21

    I don't believe that we will never see any clear, honest evidences from U.S. side.

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    LOL!

    Found interesting article about U.S. and Syria from Jan 2013. LOL.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan...045648224.html

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    Really? I cant believe it, somethings wrong here, US gov cannot be so stupid, to leave this in the internet while...
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