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    Default Raps looking to make playoffs - Anyone but Valanciunas on the block

    http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/p...-to-make-moves

    So apparently were looking to make the play offs and anyone other than Valanciunas is fair game....

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/p...-to-make-moves

    So apparently were looking to make the play offs and anyone other than Valanciunas is fair game....
    Marc Stein isn't making any sense; those two statements contradict each other.

    Also, he gets paid to "report" that Valanciunas is the only untouchable on the team? Wow. Lucky guy!

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    I find it interesting that the raptors are aggressive looking for trades this early on in the season, kinda contradicts the "wait and see" we've been hearing

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    I find it interesting that the raptors are aggressive looking for trades this early on in the season, kinda contradicts the "wait and see" we've been hearing
    Yeah - seems a bit too soon to be looking to shake things up, especially after the pre-season we had. According to Stein, Ujiri's goal is to make the playoffs and he must really feel that the current team can't do that to look to blow it up early. On the other end, if a deep team change has to be made, best get it out of the way early.

    My prediction: Gay + Lowry will be gone. I don't think you can ship one without the other, they're apparently close and shipping one without the other is essentially losing the other to free agency for nothing.

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    I find it interesting that the raptors are aggressive looking for trades this early on in the season, kinda contradicts the "wait and see" we've been hearing
    The media are a tool.

    Look at the articles Woj writes. They are practically sent to him written by agents. The Kevin Love piece last year. The Hayward piece last week.

    No doubt Ujiri and Leiweke are sending out as many stories as they can through 'sources' to keep everyone on their toes of what is actually going on.

    The front office is so small and tight knit now that anything leaked is certainly strategic in nature.
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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Marc Stein isn't making any sense; those two statements contradict each other.

    Also, he gets paid to "report" that Valanciunas is the only untouchable on the team? Wow. Lucky guy!
    That isn't what he said. He said:

    Even at this Week 1 juncture, there are strong indications in circulation that Toronto is exploring its trade options rather vigorously in hopes of constructing a roster that can finally halt a five-season playoff drought.

    Already, yes.

    The Raptors, I'm told, came into camp with an open mind under new front-office boss Masai Ujiri, willing to even consider an extension for Rudy Gay if they liked what they saw.

    The strong sense now, though, is that the Raps are prepared to trade virtually anyone on the current roster if a suitable offer presents itself.
    Trading your best player does not ensure your team gets worse. Ujiri went through that with Denver and Carmelo.
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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Yeah - seems a bit too soon to be looking to shake things up, especially after the pre-season we had. According to Stein, Ujiri's goal is to make the playoffs and he must really feel that the current team can't do that to look to blow it up early. On the other end, if a deep team change has to be made, best get it out of the way early.

    My prediction: Gay + Lowry will be gone. I don't think you can ship one without the other, they're apparently close and shipping one without the other is essentially losing the other to free agency for nothing.
    6-1 just like last season!
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    i just have a feeling MU is just going to rip off hes old team denver. there well be some denver players in raps uniform in February.
    Javale??Gallinari??Chandler?? anyone

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    Rudy and Lowry to denver for Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler. Boom playoff team with monster upside

    Maybe somethin like this, throw in a draft pick or two http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pbn2b6m
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    JV obviously is untouchable but id put DeRozan in that category as well.
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Rudy and Lowry to denver for Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler. Boom playoff team with monster upside

    Maybe somethin like this, throw in a draft pick or two http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pbn2b6m
    As long as it isn't DeMar or JV!

    Lawson/DeMar/Chandler/Faried/Valanciunas as the starters, with Amir, Hansbrough, Ross, Fields, Augustin being the main guys off. I like, I like.

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    Is there really a chance we can get Lawson OR Faried without giving up DeRozan or JV? because right now i'd do it.
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    Quote ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    As long as it isn't DeMar or JV!

    Lawson/DeMar/Chandler/Faried/Valanciunas as the starters, with Amir, Hansbrough, Ross, Fields, Augustin being the main guys off. I like, I like.
    Dude that lineup is so complementary its not even funny. Chandler is the perfect wing partner for DeMar while Faried and JV are both high energy rebounders and rim protectors. Then you got Lawson running the show with his extreme quickness and long range.
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    Milwaukee seems like a team that would take Gay and Lowry off our hands. They are pathetic at SF and their PG situation is pretty bad too. They are trying really hard to make the playoffs and are faltering right now. Strike while the iron is hot.

    To Milwaukee:
    Gay
    Lowry

    To Toronto:
    Butler
    Udoh
    Ridnour
    Henson
    Middleton
    2014 1st round pick

    Something like that.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Milwaukee seems like a team that would take Gay and Lowry off our hands. They are pathetic at SF and their PG situation is pretty bad too. They are trying really hard to make the playoffs and are faltering right now. Strike while the iron is hot.

    To Milwaukee:
    Gay
    Lowry

    To Toronto:
    Butler
    Udoh
    Ridnour
    Henson
    Middleton
    2014 1st round pick

    Something like that.
    I don't think you see Milwaukee give up any assets for guys who can leave. JJ Reddick is too recent a memory.

    I could see them having interest in DD though because he is under contract for 3 seasons beyond this year.

    Also, while they are weak at SF, Butler is passable and Ilyasova can play minutes there. If DD was sent there he could play some minutes as well. A lineup of PG, Mayo, DD could also work with Henson and Sanders protecting the rim. Or Bucks could put Mayo on second unit with Henson and Zaza with DD, Butler, Ilyasova in starting lineup.
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    With Cleveland looking for a SF, but also not wanting to commit salary past this season (in case Lebron decides to opt out), then what about Deng to Cleveland / Gay to Chicago?

    Toronto gets: Andy V, Bennet, Chicago's 2014 pick
    Chicago gets: Gay
    Cleveland gets: Deng

    Toronto would have to trade or waive an additional player as they have 15 on their roster. I suggest waiving Stone.

    Not entirely sure yet why Chicago would do it.. but something tells me that they would. Could give them a future protected pick (from 2016 for example if it helps).

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    With Cleveland looking for a SF, but also not wanting to commit salary past this season (in case Lebron decides to opt out), then what about Deng to Cleveland / Gay to Chicago?

    Toronto gets: Andy V, Bennet, Chicago's 2014 pick
    Chicago gets: Gay
    Cleveland gets: Deng

    Toronto would have to trade or waive an additional player as they have 15 on their roster. I suggest waiving Stone.

    Not entirely sure yet why Chicago would do it.. but something tells me that they would. Could give them a future protected pick (from 2016 for example if it helps).
    That trade adds nearly $5M in salary and another $15-20M in tax. I don't think Chicago does it without other pieces.

    As an aside, I think Chicago stays the course this year. Boozer will likely be amnestied this summer or traded. I'm hoping the Raptors end up trading Gay for an expiring to allow them the cap space to take Boozer for next season. Chicago can then resign Deng (who really is vital to their team) and Mirotic. Would a shit load of cap space and saving $16.8M to amnesty Boozer be worth Charlotte's pick top 10 protected '14 (unprotected in '16) and a 2015 1st round pick? I hope so.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That trade adds nearly $5M in salary and another $15-20M in tax. I don't think Chicago does it without other pieces.

    As an aside, I think Chicago stays the course this year. Boozer will likely be amnestied this summer or traded. I'm hoping the Raptors end up trading Gay for an expiring to allow them the cap space to take Boozer for next season. Chicago can then resign Deng (who really is vital to their team) and Mirotic. Would a shit load of cap space and saving $16.8M to amnesty Boozer be worth Charlotte's pick top 10 protected '14 (unprotected in '16) and a 2015 1st round pick? I hope so.
    Good point about Chicago's cap situation. Looking at their roster only guy that could help with their cap would be if they included Hinrich.. and then the deal doesn't look as good anymore for them (besides Deng in my opinion is a better player than Gay and fits better for the Bulls).

    Washington by the way is 0-3 to start the season. Would a Gay trade work there:

    Gay for Ariza, Vesely and Porter?

    They don't have a pick, but Porter was the #3 pick last draft. Ariza is an expiring and Vesely is an RFA (so basically an expiring).

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