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    Default TheNBAGeek.com: 2014 SURPRISE! (Toronto)

    StatGeek porn, right here.

    Toronto!? But They Lost a Star!

    Bargnani was no star player. He was terrible. Simply removing him from that rost makes Toronto better. Yes, Andrea Bargnani was that bad. Replacing him with an average player will make a big difference. JV is going to improve, and Tyler Hansborough will contribute. A lot depends on Lowry's health, of course. And they'd be better if Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan weren't getting heavy minutes. Maybe Masai will find a way to trade them. But they can flirt with the playoffs. In the East, this doesn't equate to being "good", but it does mean 40 wins is a real possibility.
    Utah, Atlanta, Boston also on the list of surprises.


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    Agreed. I feel that Rudy and DD will be able to co-exist. I don't agree that Tyler will beat out Amir for that starting 4 spot. Won't make that much of a difference beacause their both get around 26 mins each.

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    I think it's weird how Atlanta not doing terrible would strike many as a suprise. Al Horford, Paul Millsap, Elton Brand, Pero Antic and the Brazilian afro kid is some serious frontcourt depth.

    And yeah, Bargs being addition by subtraction is only suprising to people who didn't watch Toronto last season.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Agreed. I feel that Rudy and DD will be able to co-exist. I don't agree that Tyler will beat out Amir for that starting 4 spot. Won't make that much of a difference beacause their both get around 26 mins each.
    Not being a dick but did you misinterpret?

    The Gay and DD reference was to their inefficiencies with the Raptors being better off if they play less than the near 40 minutes per game they play or if one or both are traded.

    The PF minutes has more to do with ANYONE other than Bargnani getting them. Doesn't really matter if new PF (Hansbrough) starts or comes off bench. But I definitely agree with you comment about both getting roughly 26 minutes per game.

    Maybe I misinterpreted?
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    Quote swingman wrote: View Post
    I think it's weird how Atlanta not doing terrible would strike many as a suprise. Al Horford, Paul Millsap, Elton Brand, Pero Antic and the Brazilian afro kid is some serious frontcourt depth.

    And yeah, Bargs being addition by subtraction is only suprising to people who didn't watch Toronto last season.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Not being a dick but did you misinterpret?

    The Gay and DD reference was to their inefficiencies with the Raptors being better off if they play less than the near 40 minutes per game they play or if one or both are traded.

    The PF minutes has more to do with ANYONE other than Bargnani getting them. Doesn't really matter if new PF (Hansbrough) starts or comes off bench. But I definitely agree with you comment about both getting roughly 26 minutes per game.

    Maybe I misinterpreted?
    I pretty much agree with the whole piece except for the Dd/Rudy comment. I feel thier just being ruled out. Which makes sense since we can only go with thier history. Rudy's history also shows us how productive he could be if comfortable?

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    I think we've seen Rudy and DeMar are actually better playing together, which is a little counter-intuitive to outsiders. You'd think their skill sets overlap too much, but they actually create space for each other on the wings.

    Amir Johnson also continues to be underrated by virtually everyone in the entire league.

    I'd agree with the "flirt with the playoffs" final analysis, though.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    I'd agree with the "flirt with the playoffs" final analysis, though.
    Toronto is always flirting with the playoffs. Turns out the playoffs just don't like us that way. #friendzoned

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    Quote connected wrote: View Post
    Toronto is always flirting with the playoffs. Turns out the playoffs just don't like us that way. #friendzoned
    I Lol'd

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    Quote connected wrote: View Post
    Toronto is always flirting with the playoffs. Turns out the playoffs just don't like us that way. #friendzoned
    Tried to "Like" it, but not working for some reason. +1 the old-fashioned way!

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    Quote Brandon wrote: View Post
    I'd really rather have a player you can say is productive without needing a list of qualifiers. Like, he's productive if he's wearing those rocket shoes that make the coyote as fast as the roadrunner etc.
    That's a bit of an over exaggeration...
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    Christian didn't name a list of qualifiers, all he did was say Rudy plays well when comfortable.
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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    That's a bit of an over exaggeration...
    At least he didn't under exaggerate.

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    You know it's a slow offseason when we're digging up articles from the middle of July to comment on around the middle of September.
    The analysis for the Raps is pretty apt though. No reason we shouldn't be a 40+ win team just by swapping Bargs for Hansborough (someone who rebounds and plays D). If we're not looking like a 40 win team then some mid-season trades will be made.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    You know it's a slow offseason when we're digging up articles from the middle of July to comment on around the middle of September.
    The analysis for the Raps is pretty apt though. No reason we shouldn't be a 40+ win team just by swapping Bargs for Hansborough (someone who rebounds and plays D). If we're not looking like a 40 win team then some mid-season trades will be made.
    I hope you are right.

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    I dont share the same optimism that many do, mostly because, this is not a tinker and move forward year. This is a full on rebuild, again. The reason you are seeing this "stand pat" moment is because really, there aren't many moves that CAN be made. UM isn't building his team with the current roster, nd any success they might have will be secondary in his decision making as the season moves on. Even if they are close to the playoffs, if there is a move that can be made to set them up for better positioning over the next 5 years, it will be made, and playoff hopes will be sacrificed for the greater good.

    Injuries played a massive part in destroying managements ability to truly asses certain player value last year. So they have all gone away for a VERY LONG summer, again, and should all come in healthy and ready to go. THAT is when the assessment swill start, and over the first 20-30 games, players will start making those franchise decisions themselves with their play and with their willingness to adopt whatever team system/identity that they are asked too.

    I see only a few safe players;

    JV
    The stiff from Indiana
    Amir
    Gray

    Thats it. And the reason is that one is a pure stud, one is the second coming of Horace Grant and is Championship team material from the shoulders up. The rest, low paid but hard working and tough scrubs. You keep those guys unless they are used to make bigger moves. These other guys...our "stars", well, they are all completely expendable for obvious reasons. They are big ticket contracts and therefore need to be big ticket win producers. They have not been that, and because of that, there has to be changes.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I dont share the same optimism that many do, mostly because, this is not a tinker and move forward year. This is a full on rebuild, again. The reason you are seeing this "stand pat" moment is because really, there aren't many moves that CAN be made. UM isn't building his team with the current roster, nd any success they might have will be secondary in his decision making as the season moves on. Even if they are close to the playoffs, if there is a move that can be made to set them up for better positioning over the next 5 years, it will be made, and playoff hopes will be sacrificed for the greater good.

    Injuries played a massive part in destroying managements ability to truly asses certain player value last year. So they have all gone away for a VERY LONG summer, again, and should all come in healthy and ready to go. THAT is when the assessment swill start, and over the first 20-30 games, players will start making those franchise decisions themselves with their play and with their willingness to adopt whatever team system/identity that they are asked too.

    I see only a few safe players;

    JV
    The stiff from Indiana
    Amir
    Gray

    Thats it. And the reason is that one is a pure stud, one is the second coming of Horace Grant and is Championship team material from the shoulders up. The rest, low paid but hard working and tough scrubs. You keep those guys unless they are used to make bigger moves. These other guys...our "stars", well, they are all completely expendable for obvious reasons. They are big ticket contracts and therefore need to be big ticket win producers. They have not been that, and because of that, there has to be changes.
    The "likes" are not working it would appear.

    So I will go to old faithful: +1.
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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I dont share the same optimism that many do, mostly because, this is not a tinker and move forward year. This is a full on rebuild, again. The reason you are seeing this "stand pat" moment is because really, there aren't many moves that CAN be made. UM isn't building his team with the current roster, nd any success they might have will be secondary in his decision making as the season moves on. Even if they are close to the playoffs, if there is a move that can be made to set them up for better positioning over the next 5 years, it will be made, and playoff hopes will be sacrificed for the greater good.

    Injuries played a massive part in destroying managements ability to truly asses certain player value last year. So they have all gone away for a VERY LONG summer, again, and should all come in healthy and ready to go. THAT is when the assessment swill start, and over the first 20-30 games, players will start making those franchise decisions themselves with their play and with their willingness to adopt whatever team system/identity that they are asked too.

    I see only a few safe players;

    JV
    The stiff from Indiana
    Amir
    Gray

    Thats it. And the reason is that one is a pure stud, one is the second coming of Horace Grant and is Championship team material from the shoulders up. The rest, low paid but hard working and tough scrubs. You keep those guys unless they are used to make bigger moves. These other guys...our "stars", well, they are all completely expendable for obvious reasons. They are big ticket contracts and therefore need to be big ticket win producers. They have not been that, and because of that, there has to be changes.
    If this team has a respectable record by trade deadline. I don't see any big moves made.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    If this team has a respectable record by trade deadline. I don't see any big moves made.
    Just curious. What would you consider respectable?
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