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    Tyler has a big body of work 4 years ncaa plus 3 with pacers. He should NOT be judjed too much on last year with a very weak indy bench which has since been improved. This pickup will be a big surprise for some of the naysayers. He adds toughness 'rebounding vocal leadership drawing foul as well as physically beating down the opposition along with jv amir and even gray

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    Quote amateur gm wrote: View Post
    I agree....JV, Amir and Psycho T...toughness and never ending energy...I like it
    That is something we haven't seen since Oakley, Antonio Davis and Kevin Willis.

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    I have always liked the Hansbrough signing. He's one of the guys I hated the most in the league before we got him...therefore I will likely love what he brings for us. I also agree that he's generally underrated and has some solid skills (even when I hated him). And with JV and Amir, the team could really be a pain for others down low. JV and he should make a very physical pairing, and since Tyler is an excellent offensive rebounder, he will always be a factor when the team is running plays for other guys as well. I think he'll have a bounceback season compared to last year. His FG % will never be that efficient for a big, but his FT % along with his aggressiveness should make up for it...and his physical play has been desperately lacking at the PF position for about a decade. Reggie Evans really doesn't count.

    I really like the mix of physical and bball skills our top 3 bigs bring. The best this team has had for a long time. And even Gray may not be the ideal backup C, but he's smart defensively, and has the size to truly bang and bother other giants in the league. Heck he's even smart offensively...just can't put the ball in the hole.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I have always liked the Hansbrough signing. He's one of the guys I hated the most in the league before we got him...therefore I will likely love what he brings for us. I also agree that he's generally underrated and has some solid skills (even when I hated him). And with JV and Amir, the team could really be a pain for others down low. JV and he should make a very physical pairing, and since Tyler is an excellent offensive rebounder, he will always be a factor when the team is running plays for other guys as well. I think he'll have a bounceback season compared to last year. His FG % will never be that efficient for a big, but his FT % along with his aggressiveness should make up for it...and his physical play has been desperately lacking at the PF position for about a decade. Reggie Evans really doesn't count.

    I really like the mix of physical and bball skills our top 3 bigs bring. The best this team has had for a long time. And even Gray may not be the ideal backup C, but he's smart defensively, and has the size to truly bang and bother other giants in the league. Heck he's even smart offensively...just can't put the ball in the hole.
    I never really watched Tyler play. Why do you think that his field goal percentage will never be efficient for a big? What does he do wrong? And also what do you think was his problem last season with Indiana? Why did he have such an off season?

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    Off-topic: I know it's not in Amir's personality but he's a vet on this team, and I'd like to see him get after some his teammates for sloppy defense and poor positioning.
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    Quote GLF wrote: View Post
    I never really watched Tyler play. Why do you think that his field goal percentage will never be efficient for a big? What does he do wrong? And also what do you think was his problem last season with Indiana? Why did he have such an off season?
    Well I won't go into the last season too much. Some stuff has been talked about already, like how weak the bench was and how absolutely dreadful Augustin was at delivering the ball to bigs.

    As for his FG %, I think it's pretty simple, in that I just don't think he has a great touch around the basket for a big. He has some ok post moves, but is just not a great finisher. His jumper needs work too. He basically scores at his best around the bucket, but doesn't have the finesse or physical ability to finish around/over/through guys. Again, he has some ok moves, which helps him initiate contact or keep his defender off balance, but unless he's open at the rim, he just doesn't have the array of hooks, banks, up and unders, etc....that help a big score. And without a better jumper, his man is rarely out too far to check him, giving him less space to work with if he wants to get in close. So yeah, I don't think he'll ever have that great a FG% for a big.

    He makes up for it by being strong on the glass, as he has a great ORB% at about 12.8%, which is higher than West or Bosh who are both around 7%, to take two random high-calibre PFs. His per48 # is 5.7 (leader is Evans at 6.3), and is good for 8th in the league. Thus he makes up for his low effectiveness one-on-one scoring game by picking up extra possessions and likely finishing uncontested layups/dunks by outhustling guys and being in the right place.

    And he also makes up for it by drawing lots of fouls, and having a quality FT% for a big. He averaged 3.7 FTA per game last year in just about 17 mpg. Comparing that to West, who averaged just 4.3 attempts in roughly double the minutes at 33.4. That's a phenomenal rate, and better than most starting bigs in the league. Basically he's always being physical and initiating contact, so his presence is always felt by the other team, and is rewarded some by getting the whistle blown and picking up points at the line. Just for fun, his per 48 # here is 10.5 FTA, which puts him at 4th (!!!) in the league, behind only Harden, Howard and Durant, and ahead of guys LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook, Melo...and many more. He is just a nightmare to deal with down low because of his physicality, which he uses to his advantage.

    So while his FG% stays low, he's not wholly inefficient by any means. He makes up for shooting poorly by doing other things which vastly increase his overall offensive efficiency.
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    This is great to hear! Thanks so much for giving me a little insight into Hansbrough's game?

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    Interesting post, thanks OP.

    Your Indiana team has a reputation for being a tough but dirty team and the Raps/Pacers games were always gritty type games but after seeing the Hansbrough / JV altercation where Jonas almost gets suplexed to the ground looking all injured (and no foul!!?). From that moment on the hate was on! and I truly despised Hansbrough (the play definitely was dirty) then to find out that hes been traded to my team!? I say perfect! Im starting to get real interested in seeing him on the court. Wanna see just how dirty this dude plays. Wanna see if he can produce given the minutes like everyones been saying over and over again. Wanna see how he gets on with the rest of the squad.

    OP> If what you say is true, and Tyler produces, then he'll be a fan favorite almost instantly. Toronto has had a revolving door of hustle-type, fan favorites. Reggie, Oakley, Popeye , JYD all fan favorites and all had practically the same game as Hansbrough plus I think the fact that a lot of people already hated the guy makes the story that much more sweeter once he's won everyone over. Like they say in hockey "the guys that you hate, the guys that get under your skin - those are the guys you love to have on your team"

    Like I said, its gonna be interesting to watch if he sinks or swims, that's ditto for Ross and personally, I aint holding my breath on either of them, but hey, anyone putting on a Raptors jersey automatically gets a second chance in my books. The stage is set.
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    Quote OldSchool wrote: View Post
    Interesting post, thanks OP.

    Your Indiana team has a reputation for being a tough but dirty team and the Raps/Pacers games were always gritty type games but after seeing the Hansbrough / JV altercation where Jonas almost gets suplexed to the ground looking all injured (and no foul!!?). From that moment on the hate was on! and I truly despised Hansbrough (the play definitely was dirty) then to find out that hes been traded to my team!? I say perfect! Im starting to get real interested in seeing him on the court. Wanna see just how dirty this dude plays. Wanna see if he can produce given the minutes like everyones been saying over and over again. Wanna see how he gets on with the rest of the squad.

    OP> If what you say is true, and Tyler produces, then he'll be a fan favorite almost instantly. Toronto has had a revolving door of hustle-type, fan favorites. Reggie, Oakley, Popeye , JYD all fan favorites and all had practically the same game as Hansbrough plus I think the fact that a lot of people already hated the guy makes the story that much more sweeter once he's won everyone over. Like they say in hockey "the guys that you hate, the guys that get under your skin - those are the guys you love to have on your team"

    Like I said, its gonna be interesting to watch if he sinks or swims, that's ditto for Ross and personally, I aint holding my breath on either of them, but hey, anyone putting on a Raptors jersey automatically gets a second chance in my books. The stage is set.
    He doesn't play dirty. Shane Battier plays dirty, or Bruce Bowen played dirty. Those guys try to throw a hidden elbow here or there and rile up their opponent or sometimes even hurt them.
    Hansbrough is just tough, he hustles and fights every single rebound. He's also very physically strong. Which results in some players bouncing off him. He's also very aggressive offensively in the post, which results in a lot of fouls, which in turn results in fans disliking him ("the refs are biased towards Hansbrough?").

    I'm not sure the Jonas play was intentional, btw. Jonas tends to ram into people with all he's got, as if he's pushing a car, and if the car suddenly disappears, he goes flying.

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    everyone loves to hate the pacers.

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    So was I the only one happy about the Hansborough signing? wow lol I think he will have a significant impact on the team.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    ...I'm not sure the Jonas play was intentional, btw. Jonas tends to ram into people with all he's got, as if he's pushing a car, and if the car suddenly disappears, he goes flying.
    You grab a guy by the arm and spin around while throwing him to the floor. this does not constitute ramming into someone "...with all he's got, as if he's pushing a car, and if the car suddenly disappears, he goes flying."

    Having said that I am waiting to see Hansbrough's play.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    You grab a guy by the arm and spin around while throwing him to the floor. this does not constitute ramming into someone "...with all he's got, as if he's pushing a car, and if the car suddenly disappears, he goes flying."

    Having said that I am waiting to see Hansbrough's play.
    Is this what happened? Or does Jonas knock Hansbrough out of balance by ramming into him, Hansbrough tries to grab onto Jonas to regain his balance and they both fall down? I guess if Hansbrough was generally a dirty player, I might see it strictly like you do. Now, I'm not sure.

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    I watched every Pacer game last year. I don't see Hansbrough as a dirty player. What he is is a little awkward like a lot of big men, super agressive, and a guy who will fight for the ball (with passion) and for position. Add all of this together and yes it can appear he is dirty. What he is not is an intentionally dirty player. No way.

    I have not seen Amir Johnson play except against the Pacers and he did not make enough of an impression on me for me to remember him. That means nothing of course and I have read many good things about him on the forum. I am in his corner but I can guarantee you that if you give Hansbrough 20 to 25 minutes a night you are going to get more than 10 points a game out of him. I say that based on history. I also think it is safe to say you will get an equal amount of rebounds from him as you get from Amir. The two of them ought to make a good team at the power forward position. I think you will now have 2 Amir's in uniform or 2 Tyler's however you want to look at it.

    Now I have a question. Does anyone know if League Pass will show the preseason games? I have not yet signed up.

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    There was a brief stretch of 6-8 games in late March where Hansborough was getting 25-30 mpg and putting up double-doubles fairly consistently.
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    Said it before I think that Tyler might win the starting spot.
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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    Is this what happened? Or does Jonas knock Hansbrough out of balance by ramming into him, Hansbrough tries to grab onto Jonas to regain his balance and they both fall down? I guess if Hansbrough was generally a dirty player, I might see it strictly like you do. Now, I'm not sure.


    Even coach Vogel, who had a good view of it all, immediately stood up pointed out Hansbrough and benched him 3 seconds later (really respect coach Vogel for that btw, benching a player for dirty plays even if its his own player)
    You decide.

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    Quote OldSchool wrote: View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg6epjY0Icc

    Even coach Vogel, who had a good view of it all, immediately pointed out Hansbrough and benched him 3 seconds later (really respect coach Vogel for that btw, benching a player for dirty plays even if its his own player)
    You decide.
    Yeah, if that's not a dirty play, then I'd want to know what is.

    Psycho-T is kind of dirty, in that he's borderline out of control - partly from his extreme aggressiveness, partly because he wants to draw contact at both ends of the court, and partly because his body control seems a little out to lunch (a lot of incidental contact just because he's always flailing and throwing himself around). That's the basis of everything he does. It's effective in limited amounts, but re: giving him more minutes - he'd be abused by a lot of starting PF's with strong post games (Z-Bo) or effective outside shooting (Dirk). Tyler's not big enough to stick with the big boys on the inside for extended minutes, and he doesn't have the range to chase Dirk/Garnett/etc. for extended minutes. In limited minutes though, he's a good guy to mix things up and present opposing teams with a different (read: chaotic) look.

    I'd define him as "dirty" in that he wants any kind of contact, and accidentally initiates lots of contact, and doesn't seem concerned about the consequences. Most players realize there are certain types of contact to initiate and certain types to avoid (i.e. injury causing). Psycho-T doesn't seem to care or doesn't have the body control/quick judgement to differentiate. He's more of a "Hulk smash" kind of guy. I don't like him much, but I think he'll be useful.

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    in the video Jack says "he's a hack, Ive said it before, the guys a hack" Its gonna be funny to hear Jack suddenly change his tune about Tyler when he commentates. Jack's probably gonna be the loudest one on the Hansbrough bandwagon lol

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    Quote OldSchool wrote: View Post

    Even coach Vogel, who had a good view of it all, immediately stood up pointed out Hansbrough and benched him 3 seconds later (really respect coach Vogel for that btw, benching a player for dirty plays even if its his own player)
    You decide.
    Or he replaced Hansbrough with an all star caliber player (David West) in the 4th quarter of a close game. I think it's possible that there's a bit of a "lets avoid escalation" in this, but I wouldn't read too much into it.

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