"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
Even just looking at stats, it's pretty clear that player 1 is the far superior player.... 4 more points on a higher field goal percentage, more than 3 times as many assists, more than twice as many steals. And also a PER of 19 compared to 15 that you conveniently left out. Oh yeah, and the fact that player 1 is a PG and player 2 is a SG...
You also very conveniently chose to compare Isiah's second season to DeMar's 4th. If you looked at Isiah's 4th season where he averaged 20-13-4, it'd be even more clear that these are not even close to the same caliber of player. Not to mention the fact that since Thomas was a ball-dominant PG his playing style was nothing like DeMar's.
Talk about trying to force an argument, you've got to be kidding me with that.
If you read a sentence that says "Player 1 made it to the Hall of Fame, so then Demar can improve his game because Player 1 did too" then it means:
A) The poster is a Demar lover and delusional as to how he will progress
B) The poster is a realist and the comment is laced with sarcasm
I didn't defend the post as a real post, I defended the intent, which was "The point is that similar stats mean nothing. The players are nothing alike, and that applies to both sets of comparisons. The teams they play on are nothing alike."
If you wanted to show that similar stats =/= similar playing style or career trajectory you should've used someone who, you know, actually had similar stats to DeRozan.
My closing arguments.
DIME Magazine's Top 20 Shooting Guards List
http://dimemag.com/2013/10/top-20-sh...nba-right-now/18. DeMAR DeROZAN
Much like his teammate Rudy Gay, DeRozan is often slammed for being a ball-stopper, and an inefficient talent who doesn’t do much else besides score. That’s partly true. Toronto’s starting two-guard shot below 45 percent from the field in each of the past two years and is barely a threat from deep. But his all-around game is starting to develop. Last season, the 6-7 athlete saw his rebounds (3.9 per game) and assists (2.5) go up to career-highs while his turnovers (1.8) dropped slightly from 2011-12. He hasn’t made any monster strides since becoming a full-time starter three years ago. Then again, he’s still better than many other two guards, and averaged 18.1 points last year.
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
Basically, it's Kobe, Wade & Harden followed by a glut of players who are basically of the same value and replaceable for each other.
Last edited by golden; Tue Oct 1st, 2013 at 03:19 PM.
Excellent points Xixak. One I like (in particular) is Demar's ability to post smaller guards. Whereas Rip pretty much HAD to get open to get his shot off (something he was excellent at, almost as good as Allen or Reggie Reggie-the best), Demar hugely improved in this aspect last year. Hopefully:
1. He builds on it;
2. less likely to be double teamed due to Gay being here whole season.
Both mean more opportunities.
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