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    Quick search for a thread found nothing dedicated specifically to Raptors and 2014 Draft. Feel free to post prospect information, etc.


    A friendly request - there are a few threads on tanking already such as.....

    Here - Signs of Tanking

    Here - Best Case Scenario Timeline Tanking vs Not Tanking

    Here - Rebuild or ReTool?

    Here - Time Leiweke: We May Ultimately Have to Excuse My English Suck To Be Good

    Here - Changing Circumstances: A Tanking Argument

    ..... so if you feel the need to discuss the merits of tanking versus building, go look at one of the above threads.


    If you want to be a bummer and point out a lot of the prospects are likely to be top 3 and the odds of drafting there are extremely slim, remember that Harrison Barnes was once considered to be a #1 pick in his senior year of high school as was Andre Drummond. Things can, and will, change.


    Think of the thread as a public service announcement to educate us all on the 2014 draft!

    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    DraftExpress.com pre-season scouting video on Marcus Smart:

    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    Dante Exum:

    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    I'm a fan of this draft class' point guards. All are tall guys. Micic is one of them as well and likely to be a mid to late round pick assuming he doesn't stink it up this year:

    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    I want that wiggins kid though, he seems pretty good.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    I want that wiggins kid though, he seems pretty good.
    lol

    I lost the over/under on this one.


    I'd be ecstatic for Wiggins too. But there are a lot of good players, in my opinion. We'll see how it all plays out. Guys don't always live up to hype, guys come from nowhere, guys totally flop. Upcoming freshmen who are hyped eventually become 2nd round picks (Quincy Miller), undrafted (C.J. Leslie), or 3 years later former lottery pick prospects are in the 2nd round of mock drafts (LeBryan Nash)..... all those guys were talked about as 2012 lottery picks at the start of 2011-12 season by the way.


    Guys I'll be watching this year:

    PG:
    Smart (OKC)
    Exum (Intl)
    Harrison (Kentucky)
    Micic (Intl)

    SG:
    Seldon (Kansas)
    PJ Hairston (UNC)

    SF:
    Wiggins (CANADA!!!!!)
    Parker (Duke)
    Saric (Intl)
    TJ Warren (UNC)

    PF:
    Gordon (Arizona)
    Randle (Kentucky)
    McDermott (Creigton)

    And while the Raps don't need a C, I'm really intrigued by Joel Embiid at Kansas.



    I'm sure more names will emerge as season progresses.... and some of the above might fall off the radar too. Without a doubt most under radar right now, in my opinion, is Wayne Seldon due to all the Wiggins hype above and below the 49th parallel.
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    "Hes got the best feet, Self answered without hesitation. When you guys watch Joel play, youll say hes got unbelievable feet. Hes like a 6-footer, the things he can do with his feet.

    Then Self dropped a name that made everyone in the room sit up and lean forward.

    He kind of reminds me a little bit of (Hakeem) Olajuwon early in his career, Self said. Im not saying hes Olajuwon. Im not saying that at all. But you know, some similarities when he was real raw when he was young, but always had great feet, light on his feet. I think Joels the same way.

    http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/s...mong-kansas-b/
    Lots of intriguing prospects this year.

    Embiid also has 7'5" wingspan
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    All I know is, Patric "I know for a fact Valanciunas is not a lottery player" Young is a senior this year. Draftexpress has him 34th, nbadraft has him 52nd. I'm rooting for him to go undrafted.

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    All I know is, Patric "I know for a fact Valanciunas is not a lottery player" Young is a senior this year. Draftexpress has him 34th, nbadraft has him 52nd. I'm rooting for him to go undrafted.
    Who says Raptor fans hold a grudge?!?!?! lol

    You're right though.

    He is another example of a guy who was projected as a lottery pick in his freshman year by mock drafts who now in his senior year is as you said.
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    One guy I'm watching (and rooting for) this year is Adreian Payne at Michigan State. Draft Express has him going 26th. Watching the dude the last couple of years, you can see his growth as a player. His game reminds me of Keon Clark (hopefully without the booze). 6'9" with a 7'0 wingspan.

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    Patric was the guy I argued for days with about with Tim W in regards to JV's dominance. I believe it was the U19 tourney in which JV completely destroyed Patric, and Tim's argument was that he was a projected future lottery pick and therefore JV will be awesome. The lesson wasn't about whether or not JV will be great, but rather that sizing up guys who haven't played yet can often end up being a futile comparison.

    All this draft stuff is great, but barring
    1) An extremely lucky lottery ball bounce, or
    2) A very bad start to the season and the unloading of overrated talent for draft picks

    .. I think we'll end up somewhere in the 15-17th range of the NBA. Matt52 has only listed 13-14 guys. We need more.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    One guy I'm watching (and rooting for) this year is Adreian Payne at Michigan State. Draft Express has him going 26th. Watching the dude the last couple of years, you can see his growth as a player. His game reminds me of Keon Clark (hopefully without the booze). 6'9" with a 7'0 wingspan.
    This was point of thread. I had not done much reading on him before but Axel peaked my curiosity.

    Great shooting percentages across the board!




    His weaknesses nails it:
    Is his shooting for real?
    Can he extend 3pt shot to NBA range?
    Much less intriguing without reliable jump shot.
    Last edited by mcHAPPY; Fri Sep 27th, 2013 at 09:51 AM.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    This was point of thread. I had not done much reading on him before but Axel peaked my curiosity.

    Great shooting percentages across the board!




    His weaknesses nails it:
    I can't post the video (at work) but youtube him blocks DJ Stephens dunk. It's from last year tourney vs Memphis. Blocks the baseline dunk from a help position then drills the 18 footer at the other end.

    The weaknesses you list above are dead on, which is why he reminds me of Keon Clark at this stage.

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    Not sure how I feel about Exum. Looks awesome on paper, but the fact we've never seen him really play in the US makes it harder to see how good he actually is. That's why he's going to avoid the NCAA I think, because all he can do by playing Div 1 is lower his stock.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Not sure how I feel about Exum. Looks awesome on paper, but the fact we've never seen him really play in the US makes it harder to see how good he actually is. That's why he's going to avoid the NCAA I think, because all he can do by playing Div 1 is lower his stock.
    I agree however those were same concerns with Kanter and JV in 2011... and really any young foreign prospect.

    I read that he is likely not to go to NCAA. The reason given was he went on recruiting trips and was turned off by process. He is definitely a guy who, at this point in time, really has nowhere to go but down.
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    Exum has played in the US against American prep stars Parker, Harrisons, Randle, etc. in the Nike summit in Portland Oregon last spring.

    Last edited by stretch; Fri Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:00 AM.

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    Coach Self is already calling out Wiggins about his focus.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...iggins-focused

    While the rest of the basketball world debates whether Andrew Wiggins will be the top pick in the 2014 NBA draft, his college coach is waiting for him to become the best player on his team.

    "He’s been marginal," Kansas coach Bill Self said last week. "Compared to what people are saying, I think he’ll have some ups and downs."
    "It’s just been harder, faster, tougher so far, but at some point I have get inside his noggin," Self said. "He’s been humbled already and that’s a good thing. I just hope the expectations don’t weigh him down too much."

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    Croatian point guard Dontaye Draper has been seriously impressed with Saric.

    "He's ridiculously talented. After spending two months with him and practising with him, it's rare to find a 6ft 10in (2.08m) power forward who can dribble and have court vision like he does," he said.

    "That's what makes him a little bit different than any other kind of power forward. What I see as a point guard and how he plays so far, he can do a lot more but with this team he is just bringing the energy. It's scary."

    Draper said Saric does whatever coach Jasmin Repesa asks of him - grabbing a rebound, getting a steal, whatever.

    "He's a kid who has so much passion. He doesn't care. He will do it. He's not the type of player who will get rattled and not do it," said the Baltimore-born playmaker.

    Draper said Saric will certainly land in the NBA, likely within three to five years. First, he said, Saric needs to really figure out how he's going to play.

    "Right now he's playing on talent. But in five years when he really knows how he'll play - small forward or power forward - then it will be really scary. He's just a kid with talent now," he explained.

    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/new...9873/arti.html
    Is Saric going to be the next Mirotic?

    Is a lottery talent likely to slide because of a couple of seasons wait time - much like Pekovic?
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    Basketball has clear winners every night --
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