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    Re: Kyle Anderson

    One of his major flaws is his lack of footspeed required to guard NBA guards right?

    Well why couldn't he play with two smaller combo guards/SGs and defend the 3? Is he too slow for that too?

    His shooting percentages are unreal, and I feel like SGs with PG size are a dime a dozen in the NCAA. Why don't we draft a shabazz napier, a selfish PG, and let Anderson do his thing while guarding the three?

    All legitimate questions, not rhetorical lol
    Physically way too slight to guard SFs. He'd be posted up every play.

    So the Raps should rebuild their whole bench to draft a backup PG? Why? Anderson is good, but if you need to rework your team for a rookie bench player to succeed your team has problems.

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    Physically way too slight to guard SFs. He'd be posted up every play.

    So the Raps should rebuild their whole bench to draft a backup PG? Why? Anderson is good, but if you need to rework your team for a rookie bench player to succeed your team has problems.
    Well De Colo could work as that combo guard too. My main question was if he's such a unique talent, why miss out on him because he doesn't fit a specific mold of player.

    But the "slightness" issue is a problem. If he can't guard ANYONE, then he's not too useful.

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    Physically way too slight to guard SFs. He'd be posted up every play.

    So the Raps should rebuild their whole bench to draft a backup PG? Why? Anderson is good, but if you need to rework your team for a rookie bench player to succeed your team has problems.
    He's not a PG. He's a point forward. I don't think he's too slight to guard SFs. Maybe some of the bigger ones....but how many big SFs are there to guard the likes of LeBron or Melo?

    He will add some weight with age, hopefully good weight. I think in the current Raptors organization, it's a good environment for his development.

    He just has an obviously great feel for the game and you don't find many passers like him at his size.

    I don't think any reworking has to be done. Let Salmons go. Keep the core exactly the same as now if you want (JV, Amir, 2Pat, Greivis, Ross, DeMar, Lowry as top 7)....Anderson fits in very nicely off the bench behind those guys. Alleviates pressure off the bench as a guy who can be a 2nd playmaker on the floor. And has the potential to play small-ball PF as well, giving some versatility to options.

    I mean, say he subs in for DeMar, and mainly is in a unit with Greivis and 2Pat....Like Amir/Val, 2Pat, Anderson, Ross and Vasquez. That's a unit with 2 initiators, big men who can do different things, at least 2 spot up shooters (Vasquez counts as a 3rd when Anderson handles it). Defensively, it can't possibly be any worse than having Salmons and Vasquez on the floor together (how's Salmons perimeter and postup D been recently? Oh right, complete shite).

    I don't see any real fit issues with drafting Anderson. Adjustment period? For sure. The need to improve physically? No doubt. But skill-wise, think he's a very nice fit. Could easily be a 6th man in waiting, and can be the type of versatile player that makes it very difficult to gameplan against because of different looks we can throw at a team.

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    He's not a PG. He's a point forward. I don't think he's too slight to guard SFs. Maybe some of the bigger ones....but how many big SFs are there to guard the likes of LeBron or Melo?

    He will add some weight with age, hopefully good weight. I think in the current Raptors organization, it's a good environment for his development.

    He just has an obviously great feel for the game and you don't find many passers like him at his size.

    I don't think any reworking has to be done. Let Salmons go. Keep the core exactly the same as now if you want (JV, Amir, 2Pat, Greivis, Ross, DeMar, Lowry as top 7)....Anderson fits in very nicely off the bench behind those guys. Alleviates pressure off the bench as a guy who can be a 2nd playmaker on the floor. And has the potential to play small-ball PF as well, giving some versatility to options.

    I mean, say he subs in for DeMar, and mainly is in a unit with Greivis and 2Pat....Like Amir/Val, 2Pat, Anderson, Ross and Vasquez. That's a unit with 2 initiators, big men who can do different things, at least 2 spot up shooters (Vasquez counts as a 3rd when Anderson handles it). Defensively, it can't possibly be any worse than having Salmons and Vasquez on the floor together (how's Salmons perimeter and postup D been recently? Oh right, complete shite).

    I don't see any real fit issues with drafting Anderson. Adjustment period? For sure. The need to improve physically? No doubt. But skill-wise, think he's a very nice fit. Could easily be a 6th man in waiting, and can be the type of versatile player that makes it very difficult to gameplan against because of different looks we can throw at a team.
    Wait, you've seen him play SF? Last I checked he has NEVER played a minute of SF in his LIFE. He's a PG. THAT'S the only position he has ever played. It's the way he sees the game. Read the scouting reports yourself, he has some serious disadvantageous against SFs. His lack of athleticism will get him tore up. His advantages are tied to matching up against smaller players at his position, and compensating with his length on defense. Why would you take his best advantage from him? I don't get that mentality.

    Players can't just change position at will. That's why drafting uber-athlete Joey G and assuming he could convert positions (from PF to SF) was a bad idea. Only special players can convert positions and Anderson is solid, not special. Otherwise, he would be in the lottery.

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    Wait, you've seen him play SF? Last I checked he has NEVER played a minute of SF in his LIFE. He's a PG. THAT'S the only position he has ever played. It's the way he sees the game. Read the scouting reports yourself, he has some serious disadvantageous against SFs. His lack of athleticism will get him tore up. His advantages are tied to matching up against smaller players at his position, and compensating with his length on defense. Why would you take his best advantage from him? I don't get that mentality.

    Players can't just change position at will. That's why drafting uber-athlete Joey G and assuming he could convert positions (from PF to SF) was a bad idea. Only special players can convert positions and Anderson is solid, not special. Otherwise, he would be in the lottery.
    I have seen him play SF. In fact he has during this very tournament that's wrapping up tonight. He frequently matches up against another team's wing player, and frequently has 2 smaller guards on the floor with him for UCLA. He's even listed as a G/F or SF pretty much everywhere. He does not always take the ball up the floor, and he ends up guarding wings a fair amount. He runs the O for them in the half court most of the time...they also don't have a capable PG in the backcourt, as the coach starts his crappy son, and brings LaVine (not a PG right now) off the bench.

    His length is a factor at SF too. Not many college teams have 6'8'' SFs. Not many have Cs taller than that.

    He wouldn't be changing positions. Converting him is a bad idea...which would be playing him at PG. He's a point-forward. Much like Atlanta failed miserably when trying to play Diaw at PG when they drafted him, because they thought "oh this big guy is naturally a passing player, therefore he must be a PG", instead of just playing him at his natural physical position of forward. He thrived in PHX as they immediately used him as a combo forward with responsibilities to create for others. Anderson actually has a lot of things in common with Diaw, from size to skill set.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Wait, you've seen him play SF? Last I checked he has NEVER played a minute of SF in his LIFE. He's a PG. THAT'S the only position he has ever played. It's the way he sees the game. Read the scouting reports yourself, he has some serious disadvantageous against SFs. His lack of athleticism will get him tore up. His advantages are tied to matching up against smaller players at his position, and compensating with his length on defense. Why would you take his best advantage from him? I don't get that mentality.

    Players can't just change position at will. That's why drafting uber-athlete Joey G and assuming he could convert positions (from PF to SF) was a bad idea. Only special players can convert positions and Anderson is solid, not special. Otherwise, he would be in the lottery.
    We drafted PJ Tucker as a PF and he's killing it for Phoenix at the 3...
    Wouldn't call him 'special' by any means.

    Also, anywhere I check, Anderson is listed as a PG/F.
    NBADraft.net has him listed as a straight-up 'Small Forward'.

    Rivals.com, who handles all High-School recruitment etc. had him listed as the "#1 Rated Small Forward" coming out of High School.
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    He's a point Forward. SF guard him because he has the ball but who would he guard on defense the SF or PG

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    So, I've been trying to think of potential draft options, and I keep thinking of Tyler Ennis and Kyle Anderson as my top choices in our range (or close to it). Both could potentially fall to the Raptors, but both could also go a few picks higher. So I thought I'd review possible trade partners for moving up a few spots:

    PHX: As things are slotted now, have picks #14 and #17. A straight swap might work or some minor deal to move up.
    ORL: Likely have a top 5 pick....So possible the pick they hold at #15 right now could be available.
    CHI: As things currently stand they have #16 and #19, and at worst probably 17 and 20 (if Bobcats move up and so do they)
    BOS: A high lottery team that also have the #18 pick

    Bottom line: every pick between 14 and 19 that are currently ahead of us could be up for grabs. Just something to keep in mind.

    Most likely higher target: Philly may be open to trading the pick they have at 10 from the Pelicans, not sure what the price would be though.

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    ......So! What do people think of PJ Hairston?
    I'll put in a plug for my fellow North Carolinian. If it were not for those brushes with the law and violating NCAA rules, he would be a top ten pick. He is a solid wing player. If he is available, a steal.

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    We drafted PJ Tucker as a PF and he's killing it for Phoenix at the 3...
    Wouldn't call him 'special' by any means.

    Also, anywhere I check, Anderson is listed as a PG/F.
    NBADraft.net has him listed as a straight-up 'Small Forward'.

    Rivals.com, who handles all High-School recruitment etc. had him listed as the "#1 Rated Small Forward" coming out of High School.
    Really? How many years later? How many hours of coaching in Europe where they play a game (maybe 2 games) a week before he made the conversion? Yes, drafts are about the future, but hopefully that future is within the 3/4 years that teams have players under contracts.

    The kid is not a SF. Draft Express scouted him as a guard in highschool (Yes they have him listed as a SF), but read what they said back in 2010.

    Kyle Anderson is a big, smooth guard who towers over his opponents at 6-foot-8 and is an extremely mature young prospect with an advanced feel for the game. He is a very good ball-handler for his size – he even saw minutes at point guard for the 2012 team – and shows excellent passing skills, finding teammates off the dribble and looking highly unselfish in the process. He plays a slow, deliberate style that you rarely see from a player this young. He usually makes the extra pass and looks fundamentally sound.

    Anderson is not a particularly athletic guy. He lacks a great first step and doesn't have overwhelming explosiveness. He looked somewhat limited trying to defend the perimeter as well with his poor lateral quickness. His nickname is “Slow-Mo,” after all, and he earned that for a reason.

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2yFUAIEPu
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    I can't find a single instance where he played as a SF for more than brief instances. Also, We're supposed to suspend belief when LaVine gets underutilized by the UCLA coach, and then trust his judgement when he throws a PG in to play SF? If your a big Anderson fan cool, I don't see him succeeding as a SF on his 1st contract. Way too little time to change his play.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Really? How many years later? How many hours of coaching in Europe where they play a game (maybe 2 games) a week before he made the conversion? Yes, drafts are about the future, but hopefully that future is within the 3/4 years that teams have players under contracts.

    The kid is not a SF. Draft Express scouted him as a guard in highschool (Yes they have him listed as a SF), but read what they said back in 2010.



    I can't find a single instance where he played as a SF for more than brief instances. Also, We're supposed to suspend belief when LaVine gets underutilized by the UCLA coach, and then trust his judgement when he throws a PG in to play SF? If your a big Anderson fan cool, I don't see him succeeding as a SF on his 1st contract. Way too little time to change his play.
    Well, the DX report you show there is from September 2010. That's almost more than 3 and a half years....Not really relevant at this point.

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    We soon gotta get Shabaka napier

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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    We soon gotta get Shabaka napier
    Shabazzz damnnnn

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well, the DX report you show there is from September 2010. That's almost more than 3 and a half years....Not really relevant at this point.
    He played a lot of small forward on both ends last year. Point is his position offensively. Defensively it's up to the coach to decide what they want to do with him.


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    Napier is really nice he is so small tho.


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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Napier is really nice he is so small tho.


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    Did you see dat half court shot tho

    Dudes insane right now

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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    Did you see dat half court shot tho

    Dudes insane right now
    Definitely has so serious range reminds me of kemba


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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Definitely has so serious range reminds me of kemba


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    If uconn wins, we gotta pick shabazzz with a second rounder

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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    If uconn wins, we gotta pick shabazzz with a second rounder
    I wouldn't mind that at all Lowry Anderson Napier u can change the pace of the game anytime u want with those 3


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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't mind that at all Lowry Anderson Napier u can change the pace of the game anytime u want with those 3


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    Sounds pretty dope

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