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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    Oh it is certainly crazy to suggest he'd be better than Lowry in 2 years. If that were the case he'd be a top 5 pick when he's not close to that.
    How about Lowry declines?
    There is other ways Ennis could surpass Lowry
    Bring back the physical game and send the softies home.

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    Oh it is certainly crazy to suggest he'd be better than Lowry in 2 years. If that were the case he'd be a top 5 pick when he's not close to that.
    I don't thik that's the case. Ennis is widely considered the 3rd best PG prospect in the draft, and if Exum wasn't a freak and Smart wasn't huge, they probably wouldn't be so heavily favoured. This draft may have been a bit overhyped, but it still looks really strong. Ennis might be in the 8-20 range...and in most other years he'd probably be a lock for a top 10 pick, possibly top 5.

    *From a PG skills perspective, there's a lot of chatter that he is the best PG prospect. It really is the fact that this is a strong draft with unique prospects that is pushing him back. The potential upside of Exum or Smart given their size (and in Exum's case, athleticism) pushes them ahead.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I don't thik that's the case. Ennis is widely considered the 3rd best PG prospect in the draft, and if Exum wasn't a freak and Smart wasn't huge, they probably wouldn't be so heavily favoured. This draft may have been a bit overhyped, but it still looks really strong. Ennis might be in the 8-20 range...and in most other years he'd probably be a lock for a top 10 pick, possibly top 5.

    *From a PG skills perspective, there's a lot of chatter that he is the best PG prospect. It really is the fact that this is a strong draft with unique prospects that is pushing him back. The potential upside of Exum or Smart given their size (and in Exum's case, athleticism) pushes them ahead.
    If you think Ennis is going to be playing at the level Lowry is playing at in two-three years, then fair enough. I do not, that is all I am saying. I wouldn't be opposed to them picking him, and I think the draft is pretty good, but it is overrated a bit. I strongly disagree it would create a Jose/Lowry situation, especially when you consider that Dwane Casey is likely to be the coach
    Upside is everything at the draft, and his isn't as high as the others. Although in saying this I prefer him to Smart, always felt he was overrated

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    If you think Ennis is going to be playing at the level Lowry is playing at in two-three years, then fair enough. I do not, that is all I am saying. I wouldn't be opposed to them picking him, and I think the draft is pretty good, but it is overrated a bit yeah. I strongly disagree it would create a Jose/Lowry situation, especially when you consider that Dwane Casey is likely to be the coach
    Upside is everything at the draft, and his isn't as high as the others. Although in saying this I prefer him to Smart, always felt he was overrated
    Well, there was that story not too long ago, like in February, I think right before Syracuse's win streak was ended and after Ennis hit a big shot for a win...and they had an NBA exec quoted as saying that he would take Irving today over Kyrie Irving (who I think is overrated, but that's still quite a thing to say).

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    If you think Ennis is going to be playing at the level Lowry is playing at in two-three years, then fair enough. I do not, that is all I am saying. I wouldn't be opposed to them picking him, and I think the draft is pretty good, but it is overrated a bit. I strongly disagree it would create a Jose/Lowry situation, especially when you consider that Dwane Casey is likely to be the coach
    Upside is everything at the draft, and his isn't as high as the others. Although in saying this I prefer him to Smart, always felt he was overrated
    When you cant shoot the 3 and your playing in the NBA it makes it extremely hard o your teammates
    Just ask Minnesota
    Bring back the physical game and send the softies home.

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    LaVine with our first for me. Think he will make one of the better pros

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well, there was that story not too long ago, like in February, I think right before Syracuse's win streak was ended and after Ennis hit a big shot for a win...and they had an NBA exec quoted as saying that he would take Irving today over Kyrie Irving (who I think is overrated, but that's still quite a thing to say).
    I remember it well, and tbh it was probably more of a potshot at Kyrie just as much as a compliment to Ennis (both were well deserved!) :P. Don't get me wrong, I really like him..I guess I'm a bit defensive over our heart and soul, Mr Lowry

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    I remember it well, and tbh it was probably more of a potshot at Kyrie just as much as a compliment to Ennis (both were well deserved!) :P. Don't get me wrong, I really like him..I guess I'm a bit defensive over our heart and soul, Mr Lowry
    I just don't take anything for granted. Like I said...We don't even know if Lowry is coming back. And if he does, he'll be hitting 30 by the end of year 2 of his new contract....while the rest of our core is mostly in their early-mid 20s (Jonas will be 23, Ross 25, DeMar 26 and possibly opting out, even Amir will still just be 28). I want all the security I can get at the PG position, even with Lowry, and want to have a plan in place in case we need a PG to keep growing with our core.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I just don't take anything for granted. Like I said...We don't even know if Lowry is coming back. And if he does, he'll be hitting 30 by the end of year 2 of his new contract....while the rest of our core is mostly in their early-mid 20s (Jonas will be 23, Ross 25, DeMar 26 and possibly opting out, even Amir will still just be 28). I want all the security I can get at the PG position, even with Lowry, and want to have a plan in place in case we need a PG to keep growing with our core.
    Why the hell is Ross so old? for his draft class?

    He was a sophmore when he declared but he's one year older then the other sophs who got drafted?
    Bring back the physical game and send the softies home.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I just don't take anything for granted. Like I said...We don't even know if Lowry is coming back. And if he does, he'll be hitting 30 by the end of year 2 of his new contract....while the rest of our core is mostly in their early-mid 20s (Jonas will be 23, Ross 25, DeMar 26 and possibly opting out, even Amir will still just be 28). I want all the security I can get at the PG position, even with Lowry, and want to have a plan in place in case we need a PG to keep growing with our core.
    It's a good point. Honestly there are many ways the Raptors could go at the draft, it will be fascinating to see what happens, although this time I'm more confident something good will come out of it.

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    It's a good point. Honestly there are many ways the Raptors could go at the draft, it will be fascinating to see what happens, although this time I'm more confident something good will come out of it.
    For sure. Lots of possibilities. If we can't get Ennis, wing depth has gotta be a huge priority...draft a potential starting SF, or draft someone who can maybe back up both spots as a first wing off the bench type.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    For sure. Lots of possibilities. If we can't get Ennis, wing depth has gotta be a huge priority...draft a potential starting SF, or draft someone who can maybe back up both spots as a first wing off the bench type.
    LaVine fits that (not the SF but first wing). He is a bit of a project but has the pieces to start out as a smaller piece off the bench on a better team

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    LaVine fits that (not the SF but first wing). He is a bit of a project but has the pieces to start out as a smaller piece off the bench on a better team
    He's a tough one to figure out. Ideally I wish he displayed more obvious PG skills. Seems like a SG with some combo-guard ability. Has crazy athleticism. Don't know what to make of him, but he'd be on my board, probably not at the top though. I love the possibility of getting someone who can drive down the heart of the D.

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    He is all over draft boards, as high as 12 and as low as 29. I think he will be good because his game is more suited to the NBA game where the floor is spaced better. He has a very quick release on his shot and has gone off a few times in college when he gets hot. He is a hard worker and was in a bad spot playing behind his coaches son.

    He is also a good interviewer, when people ask him about specifics in games he is quick and articulate and I like to see this from prospects, speaks to a level of intelligence.

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    You'd have to think he will be a major hit in workouts with that freakish athleticism and three point shot. Being a good interviewer can never be overlooked as well, It plays a role. Someone will fall in love with him and take him much closer to 12 than 29 I think.

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    I read that Parker has his accommodations in place for next year at Duke.

    Doesn't mean he is not going to declare but certainly shows he is not set on what he is doing.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Oh ya.. him too. Not crazy about his game either. He's Kapono-lite to me.
    I would venture to put money on it that Stauskas will be a far better pro than Kapono.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I would venture to put money on it that Stauskas will be a far better pro than Kapono.
    This was my initial thought as well

    However I just compared their stats. Kapono actually had a sick college career, 4 years of putting up the same stats that Stauskas put up this year

    However, Stauskas is more athletic, won't be the pylon that Kapono was

    I think they'll have similiar impacts as pros, but in slightly different ways

    Calling him Kapono-lite is pretty pessimistic IMO, I'd say Michael Redd-lite

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    This was my initial thought as well

    However I just compared their stats. Kapono actually had a sick college career, 4 years of putting up the same stats that Stauskas put up this year

    However, Stauskas is more athletic, won't be the pylon that Kapono was

    I think they'll have similiar impacts as pros, but in slightly different ways

    Calling him Kapono-lite is pretty pessimistic IMO, I'd say Michael Redd-lite
    Redd could be a good comparison, I think he could be a slightly taller Dell Curry as well.

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    Another week, another Chad Ford chat. Selected snippets.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...ider-chad-ford

    Hey Chad, great work. When all is said and done, who do you see leaving of the Kentucky underclassmen?

    Chad Ford (1:10 PM)

    Julius Randle and James Young are, for sure, gone. I would say Willie Cauley-Stein too, but his comments the other day indicated he might not be a sure thing to leave. The Harrison twins have wanted to leave all year according to multiple sources around the twins, but their draft stock made them iffy first rounders. While they improved their stock, I'm not sure it's to the point that they are clear first rounders. Andrew probably has the most claim, but he's not a lock. Another year at Kentucky would help. Dakari Johnson would be a bubble first rounder as well. Ditto for Poythress. I think there's a chance ALL of them are gone. There are certainly rumblings that direction. But the only three that really make sense right now are Randle, Young and Cauley-Stein.
    how much did napier improve his stock with the run in the tourney?

    Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

    A lot actually. He's a four year senior, so the scouting report on him is pretty secure. But with PGs, teams want to see your leadership abilities. Being a winner, rightly or wrongly, helps. Napier's leadership, clutch shooting all have improved his stock much the same way it did for Kemba Walker a couple years ago. I think he goes somewhere between 25-40.
    And the answer is "I improved my draft position the most during March Madness"

    Chad Ford (1:07 PM)

    Shabazz has a claim. So does Wichita State's Cleanthony Early. UConn's DeAndre Daniels also helped his stock. Ditto for the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson for Kentucky. I think Alex Poythress also reminded us all why we loved him so much as a freshman. So much athletic talent there.
    Are NBA scouts more enamored with Isaiah Austin's athleticism and length or scared of how soft he plays?

    Chad Ford (1:11 PM)

    Both, but lean toward the latter.
    Who is the better prospect Gary Harris or James Young and who would you rather take ?

    Chad Ford (1:13 PM)

    Most scouts have Harris ranked ahead of Young. Young has the size advantage. Harris is a better athlete, better defender. Both have been streaky shooting the basketball but have the potential to be good shooters. I think Harris, if he declares, goes between 8-15. Young is 12-18.
    Will Adrien Payne be a lottery pick?

    Chad Ford (1:21 PM)

    If he was 19 or 20. For sure. Top 10. But he's already 23 years old and didn't have a dominant season until this year. That hurts his stock quite a bit. I think he's more in the 15-25 range.
    On Nik Stauskas- any thing he can gain by coming back or has this year put him as high as he is going to go?

    Chad Ford (1:28 PM)

    He's going to go somewhere between 10 and 20. I don't know that he gets much higher than that by returning to Michigan for another year. I think he's likely gone.
    Whats your opinion of UL Lafayette's Elfrid Payton? Could he play his way up to top 20 pick?

    Chad Ford (1:30 PM)

    I'm a big fan. NBA guys are a little more on the fence. Some really like him, some aren't sold. He can't shoot and that's an issue. But I think he brings so much else to the table. He's in the 25-40 range right now. But I'd consider him in the mid to late first round personally.
    Think Jahlil Carson is a starting NBA PG?

    Chad Ford (1:33 PM)

    Perhaps. Another player that scouts are all over the place on. Can really score and a great athlete. But so small.
    Is Tyler Ennis a better pro prospect than Trey Burke?

    Chad Ford (1:34 PM)

    Probably. That's the take I get from most NBA scouts. I think the analytics support that as well. But it's debatable.
    Is UCLA's Kyle Anderson a 1, 2, or 3 in the NBA?

    Chad Ford (1:43 PM)

    He's a 4.
    The biggest knock I've heard on TJ Warren is that he's a tweener and doesn't really have a position. Is there any truth to that, or is it just nitpicking? If you can play, you can PLAY no matter what your position. Thoughts?

    Chad Ford (1:44 PM)

    It's about who he guards. I don't see him guarding NBA 3s or 4s. That's the issue. Also the lack of a credible three point shot hurts him at the next level. But you're right, he does know how to play and is one of the greatest scorers in this draft.

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