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    If we try to convert him into a pg I see him being a Austin rivers doppelgänger. Can shoot but only sometimes plays...

    As a sg he looks solid but we kinda have too many sg

    If he can however gain some point guards skills he would be the steal of the draft
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    Lavine shot the ball really well actually, from NBA-3 in the shooting portion of the combine:

    60% (3-5) Break Left
    40% (2-5) Break Right
    60% (3-5) Corner Left
    80% (4-5) Corner Right
    40% (2-5) Top
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    14-25 Overall.

    Damn.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    A player dunking when no one is around doesn't impress me. Why couldn't he use that athleticism to be more productive?


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    To be perfectly fair, a lot of Derozan's workouts were like that. 1 in none, dunking over a chair, posting up pylons, etc.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    To be perfectly fair, a lot of Derozan's workouts were like that. 1 in none, dunking over a chair, posting up pylons, etc.

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    DeMar was actually productive in college though


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    DeMar was actually productive in college though


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    Point being, I get what you're saying. Very underwhelming when you workout against no one. Makes me wonder what you have to hide.

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    Ennis > Lavine
    Payton > Lavine



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    Jarnell Stokes > everyone else? lol

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    I hope Payton comes to us.
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    6' 7.5" without shoes. 7' 1 wingspan. 8' 11 reach. no step vertical 30.5. maximum vertical 35.5. Also from Quebec.
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    If we try to convert him into a pg I see him being a Austin rivers doppelgänger. Can shoot but only sometimes plays...

    As a sg he looks solid but we kinda have too many sg

    If he can however gain some point guards skills he would be the steal of the draft
    Lavine is a point guard. He played out of position at UCLA after playing the point all through high school. Every single NBA scouting report I have seen to date says refers to Lavine as a point guard.

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    Lavine is a point guard. He played out of position at UCLA after playing the point all through high school. Every single NBA scouting report I have seen to date says refers to Lavine as a point guard.
    Yup, he's a point guard or at worst a combo guard. Not a shooting guard, he just played off ball at UCLA because they had a ton of other ball-handlers.

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    I don't know if anyone posted this but this is a list of the past 20th picks since 2000. Helps give an idea of how good a player you can get. Historically the pick seems to be mostly role players and decent bench players. Help temper some expectations. I'll do this for the other picks too!

    2013 Tony Snell
    2012 Evan Fournier
    2011 Donatas Motiejunas
    2010 James Anderson
    2009 Eric Maynor
    2008 Alexis Ajinca
    2007 Jason Smith
    2006 Renaldo Balkman
    2005 Julius Hodge
    2004 Jameer Nelson
    2003 Dahntay Jones
    2002 Kareem Rush
    2001 Zach Randolph

    Other notable is Zydrunas Ilgauskas in '96.
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    37th Pick! Lol, a lot of these picks are better than the 20th.

    2013 Tony Mitchell
    2012 Quincy Acy
    2011 Trey Thompkins
    2010 Darington Hobson
    2009 DeJuan Blair
    2008 Luc Richard Mbah A Moute
    2007 Josh McRoberts
    2006 Bobby Jones
    2005 Ronny Turiaf
    2004 Royal Ivey
    2003 Travis Hansen
    2002 David Andersen
    2001 Mehmet Okur
    2000 Eddie House

    Other notables are Marc Jackson in '97 (not the coach, the guy that was good at rebounding), Jeff McGinnis in '96, and Nick Van Exel in '93.
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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    I don't know if anyone posted this but this is a list of the past 20th picks since 2000. Helps give an idea of how good a player you can get. Historically the pick seems to be mostly role players and decent bench players. Help temper some expectations. I'll do this for the other picks too!

    2013 Tony Snell
    2012 Evan Fournier
    2011 Donatas Motiejunas
    2010 James Anderson
    2009 Eric Maynor
    2008 Alexis Ajinca
    2007 Jason Smith
    2006 Renaldo Balkman
    2005 Julius Hodge
    2004 Jameer Nelson
    2003 Dahntay Jones
    2002 Kareem Rush
    2001 Zach Randolph

    Other notable is Zydrunas Ilgauskas in '96.
    All the more reason to trade up or out of the draft. We have enough serviceable back up's. That is, if we are planning to build on last season and not go down the rebuild path again.

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    Quote Employee wrote: View Post
    I don't know if anyone posted this but this is a list of the past 20th picks since 2000. Helps give an idea of how good a player you can get. Historically the pick seems to be mostly role players and decent bench players. Help temper some expectations. I'll do this for the other picks too!

    2013 Tony Snell
    2012 Evan Fournier
    2011 Donatas Motiejunas
    2010 James Anderson
    2009 Eric Maynor
    2008 Alexis Ajinca
    2007 Jason Smith
    2006 Renaldo Balkman
    2005 Julius Hodge
    2004 Jameer Nelson
    2003 Dahntay Jones
    2002 Kareem Rush
    2001 Zach Randolph

    Other notable is Zydrunas Ilgauskas in '96.
    2006 Rajon Rondo 21st pick. Kyle Lowry 24th
    2007 Arron Afflalo 27th
    2008 Ryan Anderson 21, Courtney Lee 22, Kosta Koufos 23, Serge Ibaka 24, Nicolas Batum 25, George Hill 26, Goran Dragic 45.
    2009 Taj Gibson 26, Demarre Carroll 27th
    2010 Greivis Vasquez 28, Lance Stephenson 40.
    2011 Kenneth Faried 22, Reggie Jackson 24, Norris Cole 28, Jimmy Butler 30, Chandler Parsons 38
    2012 Jared Sullinger 21, Miles Plumlee 26
    2013 Tim Hardaway Jr. 24

    Tony Allen 25th pick back in 2004.

    Hopefully we get lucky.
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    All the more reason to trade up or out of the draft. We have enough serviceable back up's. That is, if we are planning to build on last season and not go down the rebuild path again.
    I strongly disagree. The Raps lack a real backup 5, and also lack a backup 3 that can defend the position and is an offensive threat.

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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    2006 Rajon Rondo 21st pick. Kyle Lowry 24th
    2007 Arron Afflalo 27th
    2008 Ryan Anderson 21, Courtney Lee 22, Kosta Koufos 23, Serge Ibaka 24, Nicolas Batum 25, George Hill 26, Goran Dragic 45.
    2009 Taj Gibson 26, Demarre Carroll 27th
    2010 Greivis Vasquez 28, Lance Stephenson 40.
    2011 Kenneth Faried 22, Reggie Jackson 24, Norris Cole 28, Jimmy Butler 30, Chandler Parsons 38
    2012 Jared Sullinger 21, Miles Plumlee 26
    2013 Tim Hardaway Jr. 24

    Tony Allen 25th pick back in 2004.

    Hopefully we get lucky.
    Don't forget Tony Parker, 28th pick back in 2001. Best PG in the game right now, future hall of famer. Gilbert Arenas was in that 2001 class as well, 30th pick overall by the Warriors. Had a great career in WSH.
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    Difference between Beast 4's, Stokes and Randle? Exact same body & stats. One's a Top 10 pick and one is a fringe 1st rounder.
    Chad Ford (1:56 PM)

    The analytics guys love Stokes. Don't worry. He's got a great shot at going in the first round. I don't think he's as talented as Randle, but you're right that it's closer than the Big Board shows.
    This is an interesting question. Ive always wondered why Randle got so much praise for putting up the same #'s ass Stokes. Int the exact same conference. Don't say age cause their both the same age.

    Stokes
    NBA Draft Combine 6' 7" 6' 8.5"(w/shoes) 263 7' 1.25" 8' 7.5" 8.2(Body Fat %) 31.0 36.0

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz332L4W3aw
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    35 32.6 15.0PTS 53.5FG 0.0 3FG 68.5FT 10.5REBS 2.0AST 0.7STL 0.9BLK 2.2TO

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz332MXWF7L
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    Randle
    2014 NBA Draft Combine 6' 7.75" 6' 9"(w/shoes) 250 7' 0" 8' 9.5" 9.4(body Fat %) 29.0 35.5

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz332LQzOIl
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    40 30.8 15.0PTS 50.0FG 16.7 3FG 70.6FT 10.4REBS 1.4AST 0.5STL 0.8BLK 2.5TO

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz332M810Hw
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    Donnie Dark (Columbus, Ohio)

    How high could Shabazz play himself into the 1st? I feel like he's a natural baller a la Mike Bibby and can defend pg's. Any chance he creeps into to 20?
    Chad Ford (1:58 PM)

    Yes. I could see him as high as the Bulls at 19 or Toronto at 20. Both could use a back-up point guard and both want someone who helps them right away. So much to love about Napier's ability to play the game. Teams just wish he was bigger. His lack of size is a major obstacle for him.
    What are the chances that Elfrid Payton develops into a Rondo/Wall hybrid and is the best PG taken in this draft down the road?
    Chad Ford (1:49 PM)

    Well ... that's certainly a best case scenario. I love Payton and think he's the sleeper of the draft -- something I've been saying for months. The guy he reminds me the most of is a young Gary Payton. Same game, same body and similar toughness on the court. But that's obviously a ceiling for him. But if he had played at Kentucky or Duke? He'd be a lock for the Top 10. After Exum and Smart are gone, he'll battle Tyler Ennis for the next point guard off the board. I think the Kings at No. 8 are probably his ceiling. Hornets at 9, Magic at 12, Hawks at 15, Celtics at 17 are other options. Don't think he slides past Toronto at 20.
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Lavine shot the ball really well actually, from NBA-3 in the shooting portion of the combine:

    60% (3-5) Break Left
    40% (2-5) Break Right
    60% (3-5) Corner Left
    80% (4-5) Corner Right
    40% (2-5) Top
    -------------------
    14-25 Overall.

    Damn.
    that's at the very best average for an unguarded player in a non-pressure situation.

    wiggins shot 14-16 on corner 3s and he's definitely not known as a shooter.

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